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Written by our friend and MAP Forum member Batmanthecute, and edited by Mu.

I recently saw a comment on a post that triggered a train of thought. The comment said, "I'm starting to believe that mankind needs someone to hate, which allows them to focus all of their internal self-hate on others. We seem to fill this need for them, so in time we become our own worst enemy (which delights others to no end)." I've heard a lot of MAPs make this argument. On a podcast called Pedologues, participants argued that eighty years ago, society's punching bag was people of color. Then in the 70's, it was homosexuals. In the 2000's, it was transsexuals. Now it's MAPs. Podcasts like Chart O'Graph, Map The World - and I could be wrong, but I think MAPs IRL - made the same argument.

https://www.map-union.org/blog/guest-bl ... -justified

"... Jimmy Saville was a serial rapist." Really? How does the author of the piece justify his assertion in the absence of any prosecution brought by the UK Crown Prosecution Service? Does he know more than the Yorkshire, Surrey, and Metropolitan police forces combined?

I strongly suggest the false accusation be removed if MAP Union's intention is to publish accurate and honest guest blogs. A further point: it is Savile, not "Saville'.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Our community is in danger of weakening its cause by parroting the very same untruths spread by those who profit from treating us as less than human.

Strato wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:46 pm "... Jimmy Saville was a serial rapist." Really? How does the author of the piece justify his assertion in the absence of any prosecution brought by the UK Crown Prosecution Service? Does he know more than the Yorkshire, Surrey, and Metropolitan police forces combined?

I strongly suggest the false accusation be removed if MAP Union's intention is to publish accurate and honest guest blogs. A further point: it is Savile, not "Saville'.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Our community is in danger of weakening its cause by parroting the very same untruths spread by those who profit from treating us as less than human.

I copy edited before posting, but tried very hard to preserve the author's voice. Maybe the original author would like to defend his statement?

I apologise to all if I came across as brusque in my comment, but if we are to get anywhere as a community, we really need to avoid siding with those who promote paedo-hysteria, such as western governments and their main stream media mouth-pieces.

As the UK police discovered, there is not a shread of evidence to support the notion that Savile sexually abused anyone during his life time. He was a bachelor and music media celebrity, just as Cliff Richard was. Both suffered at the hands of a cowardly and toxic UK establishment determined to pin the 21st Century 'Star of David' paedophile armband upon them, Savile posthumously so.

Strato wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:46 pm "... Jimmy Saville was a serial rapist." Really? How does the author of the piece justify his assertion in the absence of any prosecution brought by the UK Crown Prosecution Service? Does he know more than the Yorkshire, Surrey, and Metropolitan police forces combined?

Again, he would have been prosecuted if he had been alive after Operation Yewtree. It's disingenuous to keep saying because Savile wasn't prosecuted he wasn't a serial rapist.

I strongly suggest the false accusation be removed if MAP Union's intention is to publish accurate and honest guest blogs. A further point: it is Savile, not "Saville'.

If my opinion matters, I oppose accommodating historical revisionism.

Strato wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:51 am I apologise to all if I came across as brusque in my comment, but if we are to get anywhere as a community, we really need to avoid siding with those who promote paedo-hysteria, such as western governments and their main stream media mouth-pieces.

As the UK police discovered, there is not a shread of evidence to support the notion that Savile sexually abused anyone during his life time. He was a bachelor and music media celebrity, just as Cliff Richard was. Both suffered at the hands of a cowardly and toxic UK establishment determined to pin the 21st Century 'Star of David' paedophile armband upon them, Savile posthumously so.

You are very welcome to express your concerns. I want to encourage healthy debate, even criticism. I am hoping that the author will participate in this thread.

Honestly though, do you believe Savile to be innocent?

I've fixed the spelling of Savile's name, and added the word 'allegedly'.

BLueRibbon wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:54 am You are very welcome to express your concerns. I want to encourage healthy debate, even criticism. I am hoping that the author will participate in this thread. Honestly though, do you believe Savile to be innocent?

Freedom to express opinions ... glad to hear it BLueRibbon.

Innocent? ... well, yes, because I have taken the trouble to follow his case, once the allegations began to surface all those years ago. jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.com, rabbitaway.blogspot.com, and annaraccoon.com have proved invaluable deep dive blog resources courageously swimming against a UK establishment-sponsored witch hunt successfully fomenting hysterical public opinion for more than a decade now.

In your article about Huw Edwards, you yourself said: “The UK's hunt of MAPs must always be condemned …” Savile’s case parallels that of Edwards regarding the UK establishment cowardly modus operandi. However, the two celebrity witch hunts then diverge because there was insufficient evidence to proceed in the former, plus Savile was bog-standard alpha-male heterosexual.

As I said before, best not to mention Savile at all in the article. To do so implies his guilt, even if you use the word "allegedly", because he appears in a list of abusers condemned by the author, all of whom apparently do our community no favours.

BLueRibbon wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:13 pm Written by our friend and MAP Forum member Batmanthecute, and edited by Mu.

I recently saw a comment on a post that triggered a train of thought. The comment said, "I'm starting to believe that mankind needs someone to hate, which allows them to focus all of their internal self-hate on others. We seem to fill this need for them, so in time we become our own worst enemy (which delights others to no end)." I've heard a lot of MAPs make this argument. On a podcast called Pedologues, participants argued that eighty years ago, society's punching bag was people of color. Then in the 70's, it was homosexuals. In the 2000's, it was transsexuals. Now it's MAPs. Podcasts like Chart O'Graph, Map The World - and I could be wrong, but I think MAPs IRL - made the same argument.

https://www.map-union.org/blog/guest-bl ... -justified

Didn't read the blog yet, so for now i'm just responding to this first part. i vehemently don't agree with the idea that "mankind needs someone to hate". That's a blindspot that is widely encouraged in Western nations! The reality as i see it is that the way The System is structured forces (?) The System to proved a steady stream of something Chomsky called "The Parade of Enemies". Basically, Distractions.

To conceal The System's OWN ABUSES. Such as all the slaughtering of innocents the world-over, as covered in William Blum's book Killing Hope. Very sobering, but largely Unwanted sobering by the world's intellectual elite and their Trusting followers.

Change the structure, i say, via mutually sane empathy (while guarding against elite or mass trampling) and i think this type of WOKE could LEAD in an EVOLVING of SANITY. Unfortunately, as history teaches, Western nations will probably have to undergo tons of bloodshed and open slaughter in order to finally tend that way.

So what's "good" about the new gestapo in the image of "ice" is that all the bullshit decorum is pulled out of the way, and all the Nice White Folks now get to see the bald-faced reality. I think that is going to continue, not abate. Nice Middle Class White folks are no longer needed by Empire, so our privileges will be steadily curtailed, frog in the boiling pan-style. Only now, the heat is being turned up.

i had a spiritual vision not long ago that moved me to try promoting humanity's creative intelligence as THE leading light to a new movement of RADICAL EMPATHY, beyond The 'Misery Loves Company', somehow. If "a critical mass" of people could GIVE THEMSELVES PERMISSION to be HUGELY CREATIVE we could jiujitsu this sorry state of affairs, while avoiding the worst of the political police and their minions.

i've already long experimented with this and have been "laying my body down" for it for years now. If only such could INSPIRE just enough people to TRY IT ON!

Alas, i'm more and more cynical. As much as everyone in Western nations (worldwide) has been conditioned for stupidity towards each other, it probably won't change in my lifetime. But maybe i/we can SEED a future generation to seriously explore such! That's my aim. Continuing with my intuitive visions, no matter what. Because, what we put out tends to REFLECT RIGHT BACK AT US EVEN MORE!!

YES we will be "tested" by the Deadened professional killers, etc. But as i said elsewhere, "what doesn't kill us, strengthens!"