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How common is it for maps to be NEET or hikikomori due to their attraction or the stigma against pedophilia?

Are there any here that are?

NEET means Not in education employment or training and Hikikomori is a Japanese word that refers to individuals who refuse to leave their parents' house, do not work or go to school, and isolate themselves from society and their family in their room for a long period.

I have been like this for almost 9-years mainly due to the fact that i am autistic and struggle with mental health issues and my Gen X conservative parents disregard my mental health and only care about me getting a job and working.

Other reasons have to do with my pedophilia as i isolate due to society's hate towards us and my family is hateful towards pedophiles so whenever i do interact with them i have to hide it even though i hate lying.

At this point i have reached my limit this has been going on since 2016 and now i feel i have no purpose in life no reason to exist i just exist.

It doesn't help that i now have physical issues too due to the years of isolation i can't move as good as i used to and i have had tinnitus since 2022.

I did make some effort to go outside a little more during the year of 2024 but every time i did i just felt awkward and felt like i didn't belong nor fit in.

Nothing really brings me joy anymore i have to motivate myself to do stuff now children are the only thing that makes me actually happy but just knowing i can't be with the ones i love breaks my heart.

Has anyone else been through this or feel what i feel?

Are there any other fellow NEETs here?

I was a NEET for quite a while as well and I know exactly how you feel. It's hard to find motivation to put effort into life when the thing we want the most seems to be so vehemently denied from us. Also, as a MAP, it can be tough to think about things like marriage and starting a family. Even I, as a non-exclusive, am not very thrilled about the idea of marrying an adult woman.

My advice to you is: don't let things like laws, culture or news get to you so much, psychologically, I mean. It might be biased for me to say that because I come from a country which is not exactly well-known for enforcing the law, but I tell you, in practice, everything about humans is extremely context-based. If you do have the trust of the right people and do things in a smart way, you have a lot more leeway than the law, culture, news, etc, make you believe you have.

I think the main skill a MAP must have is the ability to make everything they do concerning minors come across as innocent and well-intended. I know it can be difficult for you specifically because of autism, but maybe you can try to copy other people you see who interact with children in more intimate ways in public, with playfulness and a touch of physicality. You'll quickly learn. You have to be seen as the guy who's just naturally physical and playful with others, not as the "creep" who lusts after children.

Once you're confident you've practiced this skill enough, I'd advise you to absolutely seek some job opportunity in which you have direct contact with your favorite age group. Take your time and your precautions, but don't let the world make you give up on your biggest passions!

MAP romance God wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:44 pm I was a NEET for quite a while as well and I know exactly how you feel. It's hard to find motivation to put effort into life when the thing we want the most seems to be so vehemently denied from us. Also, as a MAP, it can be tough to think about things like marriage and starting a family. Even I, as a non-exclusive, am not very thrilled about the idea of marrying an adult woman.

My advice to you is: don't let things like laws, culture or news get to you so much, psychologically, I mean. It might be biased for me to say that because I come from a country which is not exactly well-known for enforcing the law, but I tell you, in practice, everything about humans is extremely context-based. If you do have the trust of the right people and do things in a smart way, you have a lot more leeway than the law, culture, news, etc, make you believe you have.

I think the main skill a MAP must have is the ability to make everything they do concerning minors come across as innocent and well-intended. I know it can be difficult for you specifically because of autism, but maybe you can try to copy other people you see who interact with children in more intimate ways in public, with playfulness and a touch of physicality. You'll quickly learn. You have to be seen as the guy who's just naturally physical and playful with others, not as the "creep" who lusts after children.

Once you're confident you've practiced this skill enough, I'd advise you to absolutely seek some job opportunity in which you have direct contact with your favorite age group. Take your time and your precautions, but don't let the world make you give up on your biggest passions!

Thanks for the advice i appreciate it.

Fragment wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:02 pm I'm just not sure if I have anything left to give.

Well, for one, Fragment, you are giving a lot to this forum with your commitment and your posts.

I didn't know about your story, I'm sorry for the situation you are in... Are the motives of your arrest publicly reported on the forum?

Fragment wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:54 am

FairBlueLove wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:08 pm I didn't know about your story, I'm sorry for the situation you are in... Are the motives of your arrest publicly reported on the forum?

I’ve shared my story on a couple of private forums, but for some reason I’d not shared it here, yet.

I guess being a committee member and this being a public forum made me more reticent. But I’m trying my best to be honest about my situation and own it.

I was arrested for “non-consensual indecency” with two male students. Specifically I was accused of masturbating them. One count was a misdemeanour but the other was a felony due to the legal change in July 2023 in Japan. The same act became much more serious despite only a few months’ gap.

There's nothing wrong with sharing these details here. Mu operates on a moderate philosophical framework where we don't rush to judgments, succumb to extremes, nor outright praise or condemn.

We endorse living responsibly as a MAP, and we advise against breaking laws. We also understand that laws may be unfair, and that MAPs are under a lot of pressure and may be pushed to failure.

Life is hard for MAPs. That is something we should all be able to agree on.

Fragment wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:54 am

FairBlueLove wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:08 pm I didn't know about your story, I'm sorry for the situation you are in... Are the motives of your arrest publicly reported on the forum?

I’ve shared my story on a couple of private forums, but for some reason I’d not shared it here, yet.

I guess being a committee member and this being a public forum made me more reticent. But I’m trying my best to be honest about my situation and own it.

I was arrested for “non-consensual indecency” with two male students. Specifically I was accused of masturbating them. One count was a misdemeanour but the other was a felony due to the legal change in July 2023 in Japan. The same act became much more serious despite only a few months’ gap.

Thanks for sharing that. You have my full sympathy. I would have a question, namely if the "non-consensual" part (let's not talk about the "indecency" joke) was real or because per law it cannot be otherwise (in my mind I think this question is rhetorical, but I just want to make sure...). Please BLueRibbon & mods moderate if needed, no problem.

Fragment wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:15 am To answer your question I’ll cite the law as it applies in my case. Just the facts. Everyone is entitled to judge my situation according to their own sense of values.

Subsection 3. A person who commits an indecent act against a person between the ages of 13 and 16 years, being at least five years older than the younger person and knowing they are under 16, shall be found guilty of non-consensual indecency as if they had committed an offense under subsection 1, irrespective of the presence or absence of the younger person’s consent.

That’s an approximate translation of the section of the penal code that was referenced on my arrest warrant. Subsection 1 outlines 8 conditions that amount to “non-consent” such as using violence, intoxication or using a position of power. I was not charged under any of the conditions in subsection 1.

The boy was considered legally incapable of consenting to sexual activity with me because he was 13 and I was over 18 (if I was 18 or younger he would’ve been capable). The prosecution didn’t prove, nor even claim, an in-practice lack of consent. I wouldn’t have been found guilty if he was over 16. If the incident occurred prior to the law changing in July 2023, I would’ve instead been found guilty of a misdemeanor “obscenity with a minor” offense.

I’m actually going to be sharing my story in a podcast with Little Nicky (one of the volunteers at Lifeline, Wired PM and BL Talk). You might be interested in listening once it’s released.

I'm sorry to hear this news, I didn't know what you suffered in Japan before. I can say that this is quite an unfair punishment. You were persecuted anyway, and now I hope that one day you can seek justice and compensation for yourself from them.

Well by definition I match the neet Map as I’m unemployed and and don’t do anything studying or and further education.
However don’t think I match hikmorai as I have no problem going outside and would gladly pick up work if I could.
However I kind of was like that where I was afraid to go out and got anxiety but that’s due to bad interactions with people.
Where have you learned these words do Japanese anime and I’ve never heard those words you mentioned before.
Do you know the Japanese word for people who like minors.
Also I know people who are like that but what are the chances of them being a Map

MAP romance God wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:44 pm I was a NEET for quite a while as well and I know exactly how you feel. It's hard to find motivation to put effort into life when the thing we want the most seems to be so vehemently denied from us. Also, as a MAP, it can be tough to think about things like marriage and starting a family. Even I, as a non-exclusive, am not very thrilled about the idea of marrying an adult woman.

My advice to you is: don't let things like laws, culture or news get to you so much, psychologically, I mean. It might be biased for me to say that because I come from a country which is not exactly well-known for enforcing the law, but I tell you, in practice, everything about humans is extremely context-based. If you do have the trust of the right people and do things in a smart way, you have a lot more leeway than the law, culture, news, etc, make you believe you have.

I think the main skill a MAP must have is the ability to make everything they do concerning minors come across as innocent and well-intended. I know it can be difficult for you specifically because of autism, but maybe you can try to copy other people you see who interact with children in more intimate ways in public, with playfulness and a touch of physicality. You'll quickly learn. You have to be seen as the guy who's just naturally physical and playful with others, not as the "creep" who lusts after children.

Once you're confident you've practiced this skill enough, I'd advise you to absolutely seek some job opportunity in which you have direct contact with your favorite age group. Take your time and your precautions, but don't let the world make you give up on your biggest passions!

What country are you from?

This thread really makes me sad. And reminds me of how truly bad it is for some of us.

I know the feeling of longing to be with a partner (little girls in my case) .. yet knowing we live in a world where that is so far away from reality and only getting further by the day.
And to live out that love is risking my life and freedom.

With that said.. I've been blessed all my life to be a guy that fits in pretty well in society.. pretty outgoing, lots of friends and always had a full time job.

But I do sometimes stop and think about those who are less fortunate. And it truly pains my heart to think of the despair that many of us go through. Feeling outcasted by society and living with this affliction, knowing there will never be satisfaction in relationships.

I encourage you to own your situation.. and say fuck it, I'm going to be unapologetically me.. I don't recommend coming out, it's almost always a bad idea. But live this life to the fullest. Even if it means you have to hang out at places where your attractions are. At least you would get to enjoy their smiles and perhaps have brief moments of interacting with them. Just don't ever cross the line or say anything inappropriate.. it's not against the law to be friendly.

.. also, this is the life and burden you've been dealt. No matter how bad things are for us there is always someone that has it worse. There are those confined the wheelchairs, there are those who have lost lims, there are those who can't speak and are unintelligent. Or maybe extremely poor and in abusive situations.

It sounds like you have a family that loves you, a roof over your head and a relatively healthy body.

I will tell you this, getting a job will help you tremendously with your mental health and confidence. As a man, we are programmed to work.. and when we don't work, we lose our sense of purpose or meaning in this world. It really can break us down not having that purpose and reason to get up, get dressed get motivated and go out into the world.

You don't have to do a grueling job that sucks. Get a part-time job at a gas station, or perhaps a low end retail store. Maybe a place like Burlington coat factory where they sell clothes.. a place where they aren't expecting you to do rocket science, they just need you to show up and fold clothes, put stuff away etc.

And the huge bonus to that is you will get to interact with tons of little girls!

Some of these stores like marshalls, Burlington coat factory, etc.. they literally sell little girls clothes.. so you'll have all sorts of moms coming in there with their kids looking to buy stuff!

And it's literally your job to be friendly and interact with them.. ask him if they need help finding anything.. if they are trying on clothes you get to tell them "wow that looks great on you!"

I'm telling you if you did something like this, it would make a whole world of difference in your life. It would give you a sense of purpose, put some money in your pocket and you would actually look forward to going to work!

This is actually what I've always done.. I've worked in many different clothing stores.. and there was one of them a while back where I was literally the fitting room attendant.
All sorts of gorgeous little girls would be coming in and trying on clothes.. and of course I'd be very polite, careful to not come off creepy at all.. but I get to give them compliments about the clothes they were trying on etc. I truly enjoyed going to work!

So yeah, just know you're not alone in this.. there are hundreds of thousands of us, if not millions out there with the same secret you have, and the same longing that you have.

And I understand about the wanting to be honest thing.. I can actually really relate to that. I'm the type of person that wears my heart on my sleeve, and I'm a very honest and open person.

But this is the one facet of my life that I'm not able to express. .. but with that said, I can be honest to a certain extent.. I can say that I love kids, I'm a big kid myself and I've always enjoyed interacting with them! .. of course I can never say that I'm wildly sexually attracted to them. Lol. But you can be light-hearted and say yeah kids are great, they're just all about having fun and living life with a sense of wonder, and I respect and appreciate that.

Anyways, I guess I've rambled enough.. but if you take one thing from this.. get a job! You will be amazed at how much confidence and purpose it gives you.

If you don't like it, find another one! There's tons and tons of places to work.. especially in retail!

I am also a girl lover.. and basically have the exact same AOA.. toddlers all the way up to early teens. .. also non-exclusive.. but have an overwhelming preference for little girls.

And frankly, one of the dreams for anyone in our situation.. is to find a single mom with a beautiful little girl that needs a step dad. And it doesn't mean we have to break the law or risk our freedom.

But imagine being able to tuck her in at night, help her pick out clothes and get ready for the day, cuddles and kisses at night. It's about the closest we'll ever have to a little girlfriend.

And many, many moms are looking for a guy to love her and their kids!

Okay I'm really done now.. I hope you come back to this thread and keep us updated! Hang in there bro, you can do this!