Should we really align with LGBTQ+?

[CantChainTheSpirit]

I think there's more to lose from trying to align with the LGBTQ+ community than there is from being completely independent. LGBTQ+ are completely unrelated to us and will always throw us under the bus if it helps them.

LGBTQ+ is a growing list of minorities and people only have to take issue with one group in that list to turn against the whole group. Don't like trans people? Then hate all the LGBQ+ people since they're all aligned. The bigger the list gets, the more people will take issue with the whole list. They argue that they don't want maps on their list for that very reason, it'll throw shade on the others. Well that's happening with trans people now and there are those who hate gays and don't care about trans so they hate the whole group now.

I have no issue with anyone on the LGBTQ+ list. Good to each and every one of them, but they'll never have our back and if we did side with them then there will be people who just hate gay people or trans people who suddenly decide maps are a new target they didn't think about much before. Sounds mad I know but I do know some non-maps who have told me that as Christians they can't support LGBTQ+ and really get upset about gay and trans people, but have expressed they don't really have a hard view against maps. Yes, there are people who hate trans and gay people more than maps for reasons such as religion.

I think we should forget about them, we don't need to support them or take on their burdens and we should focus on building a real solid case for ourselves as a community. Love, respect, nurture, Mary was around 13 when she was pregnant with Jesus, marriage at 12 was fine biblically, there is evidence to support positive benefits from early sexual couplings, youth rights, adult rights, our contributions to society through taxes and the work we do in hospitals, the armed forces and other services. Focus on our situation, build our case, think big, be bold, don't get caught in the trap of LGBTQ+ that has no love for us and is building a problem for themselves. There's the idea that unity builds strength and that is true to an extent, but it also draws attacks that wouldn't be there otherwise.

[RoosterDance]

I will quote myself from a previous post.

The LGBTQ+ Movement sure is famous and popular nowadays, but nothing lasts forever. It's gotta fade eventually, and I imagine there aren't really many other ways for that to happen naturally. Note that I'm not talking about Homo, Bi, or Trans people themselves, but rather the political movement.

I've come to the conclusion that while it would be nice if such movement would ally themselves to the MAP cause, It is not necessary. Where one political movement will fade, others will come to prominence. Thus opportunities to find other allies that may very well become just as influential. PorcelainLark mentioned a good one with non-MAPs that have been charged. I'd say Youth Liberation groups are another. Paraphile groups as well. Who knows what the future holds.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

I will quote myself from a previous post.

The LGBTQ+ Movement sure is famous and popular nowadays, but nothing lasts forever. It's gotta fade eventually, and I imagine there aren't really many other ways for that to happen naturally. Note that I'm not talking about Homo, Bi, or Trans people themselves, but rather the political movement.

I've come to the conclusion that while it would be nice if such movement would ally themselves to the MAP cause, It is not necessary. Where one political movement will fade, others will come to prominence. Thus opportunities to find other allies that may very well become just as influential. PorcelainLark mentioned a good one with non-MAPs that have been charged. I'd say Youth Liberation groups are another. Paraphile groups as well. Who knows what the future holds.

That makes sense.

I suppose my view is if we can't make a compelling argument for map and youth rights on their own merits then looking for other groups to create an argument isn't going to work. If we can build a truly convincing case ourselves, then looking at other groups to provide support becomes a benefit.