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I'm not a youth, but from what I've observed it does seem like age gap relationships are more frowned upon by zoomers and gen alpha than with older generations.

Extremely. To give you an example, maps are to Gen Z as “gays” where to gen x, as commies where to boomers, as black people where to the silent gen. We’re westerns societys new fun toy to play with then get bored of in a couple decades. Just like with witches, immigrants, comies, black people, and gays, society will get more and more hysterical until it reaches a boiling point and the realize “hey, these guys are mildly tolerable” and they find a new group to pick on. Imo, gen Z/alpha will be that boiling point and Gen beta and onwards will start to give less and less of a fuck about “THE K1DDY D1DDL3RS!!!!!” I predict Gen Z will be the generation to make their kids wear full length gowns and head coverings to protect from “s3xvl1z@t10n” and their Gen beta children will grow up and realize how ridiculous and bigoted their parents are, just like gay Millennials and their homophobic Boomer parents.

The next new thing will proably be zoos or sentient robots or maybe a rehash on immigrants. But judging by how Gen Zs cry wolf (grooming) at the mere mention of “s3x”, and treat a 17 year old seeing a booby as equivilant to torture, expect things to get worse before they get better. Dont hold out any hope for any positive change in Gen Z, the generation raised at the very height of the stranger danger “p3d0”(theyre so scared of pedophiles and sex they cant even say the words and have to censor it with numbers, lol, oh no, a spooky word!) moral panic, drastic change proably wont come until at least 20 years when gen beta gets tired of being told by their Gen Z parents that their boyfriend thats 3 months older than them has a “pr0bl@m@t1c age gap”

For example, these are claims that I have seen on Gen Z tiktoks

1.A 19 year old man is pedophile and grooming for dating a 16 year old minor(Tall knight scandal)

2.19 and 26 is grooming and the 26 year old is pedophile for dating a teenager(Boribillion scandal)

3.18 and 17 is pedophillia and grooming

4.8th graders cant consent to highschool freshman

5.Minors are pedophiles for sexulizing, sorry “s3xvl1z1ng” other minors(yes, even if theyre the same age)

6.Drawing young looking cartoons in sexual situations makes you evil(canihaveapromo scandal)

7.Dating short adults makes you a pedophile(search up height difference on tt and read the comments)

8.Liking girly and childish clothing and/or dating someone who doesnt is “pdf1ll1@“ or “pdf1l3 bait” (search up belle delphine)

9.21 and 18 is pedophillia because one is a teenager and one is a drinking adult in their 20s(its fascinating the hoops they loop through to explain how 18 and 15 is pedophillia because one is a teenager and ones a legal adult, but when its 18 and 21 one is biologically an teenaged child and “laws dont equal morality”, and when you bring this weird hyprocrisy up to them they just call you a pedophile and say something like “YOU MUST BE INTO BARELY LEGAL TEENAGERS U PDF, U WOULD PROBABLY DATE MINOR TEENAGERS TOO!!!!!1!!1!1”(no I wouldnt, far too old)

10. Constant non stop allegations of grooming, sorry “gr00ming”, espcially in the art community. Everything is gr00ming, everything is “pr0bl@m@t1c”, and everyone needs to be cancelled. There is no room for authenticity and fun, you are on a constant platform and must be on your best behavior, lest you get “cancelled”, which gives these Z00m3rs the excuse to doxx, contact your family and job, send you death threats, or even go out and assualt you in real life, all in the name of “protecting m1n0rs from s3zuvl1z@t10n and pdfillia!!!” Even when their victim of harrasment is a minor themselves. Everything is gr00ming. If you saw furry porn at 16 by accident you were gr00med. If you dated a 20 year old at 17 you were literally ed. If you kissed a 12 year old when you were also 12 your a pdf1l3 and an innocent gr00ming victim. If you saw a woman breastfeeding in public at 15 you have trauma. If you think a 1+ year age gap between minors is fine your basically p diddy. If you think pedophiles dont deserve to be expirimented on or lit on fire(yes have heard arguments for the former and seen a pred hunter video of the latter), you deserve to be ed and killed.

11. They take no accountability for their shitty actions, they will outright doxx your address and call a swat on your house, and when you ask them why or to be a decent human being and own up for it, they go “im witery a minor im ownwy 17, I didnt know threatening to murder people and bullying people into comitting suicide over cartoons was wong, its not my fault, I was gwoomed and have twama from seeing mlp foot fetish p0rn once when I was 12 ” These people will be the most annoying miserable evil fucks(they are already lol) when they reach their mid 20s and 30s, yet they have the audacity to complain about boomers and “purity culture”. I dare you to go on tiktok and take a shot any time the buzzword “pedophile” “grooming” “normalization” “sexualization” “brain development” “maturity” “minor” or “cancelled” are used, you wont last an hour.

G@yWad43 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:27 am Dont hold out any hope for any positive change in Gen Z, the generation raised at the very height of the stranger danger “p3d0”(theyre so scared of pedophiles and sex they cant even say the words and have to censor it with numbers, lol, oh no, a spooky word!) moral panic, drastic change proably wont come until at least 20 years when gen beta gets tired of being told by their Gen Z parents that their boyfriend thats 3 months older than them has a “pr0bl@m@t1c age gap”

Isn't that habit of substituting numbers from letters because most social media suppress keywords like that? I'm not sure it's fear.

For example, these are claims that I have seen on Gen Z tiktoks

1.A 19 year old man is pedophile and grooming for dating a 16 year old minor(Tall knight scandal)

2.19 and 26 is grooming and the 26 year old is pedophile for dating a teenager(Boribillion scandal)

3.18 and 17 is pedophillia and grooming

4.8th graders cant consent to highschool freshman

5.Minors are pedophiles for sexulizing, sorry “s3xvl1z1ng” other minors(yes, even if theyre the same age)

6.Drawing young looking cartoons in sexual situations makes you evil(canihaveapromo scandal)

7.Dating short adults makes you a pedophile(search up height difference on tt and read the comments)

8.Liking girly and childish clothing and/or dating someone who doesnt is “pdf1ll1@“ or “pdf1l3 bait” (search up belle delphine)

I'm aware of this, I just don't know how much of it is performative. Like they feel the need to publicly disavow pedophilia, regardless of how they personally feel about it. For example, in reality I think the younger generations aren't actually as sensitive to lolicon as they outwardly act; if you grow up on the internet, you will become desensitized to it. Likewise, the internet makes relationships between minors and adults much more common; a guy hanging around kids in real life would attract attention, in contrast random adults being in Discord servers with minors or playing games with them is much more common for the internet generation. What people say and what they do aren't necessarily the same.

“YOU MUST BE INTO BARELY LEGAL TEENAGERS U PDF, U WOULD PROBABLY DATE MINOR TEENAGERS TOO!!!!!1!!1!1”(no I wouldnt, far too old)

Based.

10. Constant non stop allegations of grooming, sorry “gr00ming”, espcially in the art community. Everything is gr00ming, everything is “pr0bl@m@t1c”, and everyone needs to be cancelled. There is no room for authenticity and fun, you are on a constant platform and must be on your best behavior, lest you get “cancelled”, which gives these Z00m3rs the excuse to doxx, contact your family and job, send you death threats, or even go out and assualt you in real life, all in the name of “protecting m1n0rs from s3zuvl1z@t10n and pdfillia!!!” Even when their victim of harrasment is a minor themselves. Everything is gr00ming. If you saw furry porn at 16 by accident you were gr00med. If you dated a 20 year old at 17 you were literally ed. If you kissed a 12 year old when you were also 12 your a pdf1l3 and an innocent gr00ming victim. If you saw a woman breastfeeding in public at 15 you have trauma. If you think a 1+ year age gap between minors is fine your basically p diddy. If you think pedophiles dont deserve to be expirimented on or lit on fire(yes have heard arguments for the former and seen a pred hunter video of the latter), you deserve to be ed and killed.

I don't know how much of that is to do with the popularity of drama in general though. I feel like there's all these "exposed" videos about people saying the n-word, but then if you actually hang out in a voice chat nobody bats an eyelid about it. There's something Pharisaical about the internet, people outwardly say one thing, but in practice they act differently. Also, it's such easy click-bait, "x person is a groomer" from a 26 year old who dates an 18 year old.

11. They take no accountability for their shitty actions, they will outright doxx your address and call a swat on your house, and when you ask them why or to be a decent human being and own up for it, they go “im witery a minor im ownwy 17, I didnt know threatening to murder people and bullying people into comitting suicide over cartoons was wong, its not my fault, I was gwoomed and have twama from seeing mlp foot fetish p0rn once when I was 12 ” These people will be the most annoying miserable evil fucks(they are already lol) when they reach their mid 20s and 30s, yet they have the audacity to complain about boomers and “purity culture”. I dare you to go on tiktok and take a shor any time the buzzword “pedophile” “grooming” “normalization” “sexualization” “brain development” “maturity” “minor” or “cancelled” are used, you wont last an hour.

Well, teenagers were pretty fucked up to each other when I was a teenager too. Eventually we grew up. I have discussed having a legal age gap relationship online before and I didn't get death threats about it.

I think in general it's because the younger generation have a higher level anxiety. It comes from a different place from those tabloid editors in the 90s, that were genuine thugs, looking for an excuse to show off how "tough" they are. If I was in the room with a Zoomer who had made a bunch of aggressive statements against MAPs on the internet, they likely wouldn't have the courage to say it IRL. In contrast, I think those thugs at The Sun or Neo-Nazis that harassed NAMBLA members would actually physically fight you given the opportunity.

PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:06 am
Isn't that habit of substituting numbers from letters because most social media suppress keywords like that? I'm not sure it's fear.

True, but their willingness to use the censorship even on more lax sites like youtube or tumblr or discord, social media sites with a less intense algorithm/censorship makes me belive its not just because of the nature of the internet

PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:06 am
I'm aware of this, I just don't know how much of it is performative. Like they feel the need to publicly disavow pedophilia, regardless of how they personally feel about it. For example, in reality I think the younger generations aren't actually as sensitive to lolicon as they outwardly act; if you grow up on the internet, you will become desensitized to it. Likewise, the internet makes relationships between minors and adults much more common; a guy hanging around kids in real life would attract attention, in contrast random adults being in Discord servers with minors or playing games with them is much more common for the internet generation. What people say and what they do aren't necessarily the same.

Its not performative,they do it in real life(source, im in the z00m3r/millenial age group). So much of the drama in real life was centered around sex or age gaps. And those internet relationships between minors and adults dont last very long before it gets “exposed” for “gr00ming”. Your lucky if your able to talk about online with anyone between the ages of 15-30 without getting shut down. With loli-sorry, l0lic0n, even a character that is drawn slightly too short or in a slightly suggestive pose with a youthful face will get a horde of chronically online losers trying to get your account banned for “endangering minors”. Search up “problamatic artist” on tiktok to see what I mean, most of the shit isnt even lolicon, its just “pdf1l3 coded”

PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:06 am
I don't know how much of that is to do with the popularity of drama in general though. I feel like there's all these "exposed" videos about people saying the n-word, but then if you actually hang out in a voice chat nobody bats an eyelid about it. There's something Pharisaical about the internet, people outwardly say one thing, but in practice they act differently. Also, it's such easy click-bait, "x person is a groomer" from a 26 year old who dates an 18 year old.

True. I would describe them as “hyper woke” in general. Facist ideals covered up with performative activism. So “left” they become radically conservative. Everyone should agree with them and think the same way as them and if they dont they should be censored, shunned or killed. But instead of it being over normal facist ideas its like a “woke facism”, where they pretend to care about minorities to look good and have an excuse to go full facist on anyone whos “pr0bl@mat1c”.

PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:06 am
Well, teenagers were pretty fucked up to each other when I was a teenager too. Eventually we grew up. I have discussed having a legal age gap relationship online before and I didn't get death threats about it.

I refuse to infantilize teenagers. They are young adults, biologically if not socially and legally. They are more than old enough to know that abusing and harassing people is shitty behavior. You dont need to be 25 with a “fully devloped lobe” to know that threatening to murder people is bad. Not being threatened with fucking murder over simply discussing a lawful relationship is the bare minimum and shouldnt be celebrated. This constant coddling of teenagers “oh they bully each other into suicide, well thats just silly little teeny bopper behavior, lol!” Is exactly why so many of them keep acting like that. You guys “grew up” because in the adult world you are actually held accountable for your actions and cant just blame it on being a teenager, without that drastic change in environment their would be little reason for self reflection. They arent abusing people because theyre silly little teenage girls, theyre abusing people because theyre bad people. If they present as better in the future, its because they either changed into genuinely better people because they have had to own up and genuinely introspect on their actions instead of brushing them off and blaming it on other things or theyve learned to become more coy with their shittyness, since overt shittyness isnt tolerated in the adult world like it is when your an underaged teenager, but its not “growing up”, its just changing, humans never stop changing. The “underdeveloped teenage brain” and “racing teenage hormones” is a myth thats been disproven countless time, so any shitty behavior is either them as a human being or the culture they're being raised in, or both. This refusal of accountability in the younger generations, the constant chalking up of their shitty, abusive, sometimes DEADLY behavior into, “their just young” is exactly what I was complaining about.

The same minor teenagers blaming all their shitty behavior on their “minorness” are the same ones advocating that the brain develops that 25(a disproven myth) and that the age of adulthood should be raised, so they will continue to act like shit and blame their shitty behavior on “being under 25 and having underdeveloped brains”. And even after 25, ive seen adults in their late 20s blame their behavior on “my brain just developed!”. How are they supposed to “grow out of it” if they arent given a reason to grow out of it in the first place? Genuine change comes with self introspection, and self introspection isnt possible if you can blame all your flaws on “im just a silly little teenaged child lol” or “im only 21 my brain isnt developed”. Calling your peers names is one thing, actively sending the swat team to their house and goading them into committing suicide over distasteful artwork is another. Thats not and SHOULD NEVER be considered “normal teenaged behavior”. Censoring artwork because its “distasteful” and hurts your delicate sensibilities is normal facist behavior sure, but not normal teenaged behavior. The “teen brain” is a myth that has been disproven countless times, as well as the “raging hormones” myth, they are, once again, young adults, young adults infantilized and stifilied by the western education and legal system yes, but still more than old enough to know and act better. Teenagers are as mature as you treat them, and if you treat them like silly little children who are biologically ingrained to threaten to murder random people over the drop of a hat then they arent going to magically transform into a half decent person on their 18th/20th/25th birthday, thats not how genuine growth and change works. And I hate to break it you, the people treating others like shit when you were a teenager werent doing it because they were “teenagers”, they were doing it because they were assholes, I dont know why everyones so scared to call young people assholes. Young people can be assholes, anyone can be an asshole.

I dont subscribe to the notion that everyone under the age of 18/20/25 is this pure vessel of goodness that are incapable of being genuine fucking dicks because their “young”. They bullied each other because they were being dicks, not because they were being teenagers. When I see a middle aged man being a dick to another middle aged man, I dont go “oh the brain starts to decline in your middle ages, hes not a dick hes just middle aged”, no I say “your a fucking asshole.” We dont even do this with other age groups of minors.

If a little kid is punching and spitting on other kids at school and threatening to seriously harm them, we dont go “oh thats normal elementary school behavior, he’ll grow out of it”, no we go, “thats concerning, that kids a genuine danger to his peers and unless its addressed he will continue to grow more violent and could possibly seriously injure someone”. Yet when teenagers fight each other in highschool, despite the fact that they only have a year or two to shape up before they get sent to big boy prison, its dismissed as “highschool drama”, and we act all shocked when they dont just “grow up” and it wasnt just “teenaged drama” and they get incarcerated for domestic violence or a mass shooting instead.”tHeRe wErE nO sIgNs”. Hell even online, if an 8 year old is caught being an asshole , he will most likely get punished for being a “cyber bully” and be grounded from his electronics. How come 8 year olds are held to a higher standard than someone whos a couple months away from being old enough to vote and join the military, most likely has a car and a job, and has had more than double the time to learn how to be a decent person? In fact, its MORE important to hold a teenager accountable for their assholery because the law isnt going to fall for the “my bwain isnt devloped” bullcrap in two years when they get arrested for defamation or battery or wasting of police resources. Were failing these kids when we refuse to prepare them for the adult world and make them live in this special little teenaged bubble where they can do no wrong because theyre teenagers. If I could treat people like absolute garbage and blame all my shittyness on being a minor, I would just become even more of a super mega asshole. N0rm@liz3 holding people accountable for their behavior instead of just blaming it on psuedo science or shitty western cultural norms.

PorcelainLark wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:06 am
I think in general it's because the younger generation have a higher level anxiety. It comes from a different place from those tabloid editors in the 90s, that were genuine thugs, looking for an excuse to show off how "tough" they are. If I was in the room with a Zoomer who had made a bunch of aggressive statements against MAPs on the internet, they likely wouldn't have the courage to say it IRL. In contrast, I think those thugs at The Sun or Neo-Nazis that harassed NAMBLA members would actually physically fight you given the opportunity.

They absolutely WOULD say it irl. Im not sure what age group your in, but I myself am in the 15-30 age group. Even in real life they are constantly talking about age gaps and pedophillia and grooming. They may not scream it at the top of their lungs like online or be as quick to call a swat on you, but trust me, we cant just write it off as “chronically online behavior”. We have to take these threats seriously, most of them can vote and the ones that cant will be able to very soon. The chronically online pedo virtue signaling will become chronically in real life political virtue signaling, in fact, its already happening. They wont stay teenagers forever

I think we should again think about the difference in gender though. Guys (of any age) like I was saying are not really convinced by any of these, and really dont mind such relationships. These loud voice tend to just be women (usually older), who influence younger girls. However, even then not every girl agrees, in most of those comment sections you can find girls disagreeing or arguing about it. I think that in reality it is probably 50/50 but the loud voices have taken over. I agree that there is a lot of hysteria these days but there's also many people who point out how stupid it is (especially the 18-17 year old cases, or even people who are 23, 24, 25 dating a 18-19 year old). Also, I can also speak on people I know and most of them, if you talk to them personally outside of those spaces, to ask what they really think, don't mind such age gaps.

but again, larger age gaps (adults and minors) is a different thing altogether and I don't see that changing.

G@yWad43 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:05 pm I refuse to infantilize teenagers. They are young adults, biologically if not socially and legally. They are more than old enough to know that abusing and harassing people is shitty behavior. You dont need to be 25 with a “fully devloped lobe” to know that threatening to murder people is bad. Not being threatened with fucking murder over simply discussing a lawful relationship is the bare minimum and shouldnt be celebrated. This constant coddling of teenagers “oh they bully each other into suicide, well thats just silly little teeny bopper behavior, lol!” Is exactly why so many of them keep acting like that. You guys “grew up” because in the adult world you are actually held accountable for your actions and cant just blame it on being a teenager, without that drastic change in environment their would be little reason for self reflection. They arent abusing people because theyre silly little teenage girls, theyre abusing people because theyre bad people. If they present as better in the future, its because they either changed into genuinely better people because they have had to own up and genuinely introspect on their actions instead of brushing them off and blaming it on other things or theyve learned to become more coy with their shittyness, since overt shittyness isnt tolerated in the adult world like it is when your an underaged teenager, but its not “growing up”, its just changing, humans never stop changing. The “underdeveloped teenage brain” and “racing teenage hormones” is a myth thats been disproven countless time, so any shitty behavior is either them as a human being or the culture they're being raised in, or both. This refusal of accountability in the younger generations, the constant chalking up of their shitty, abusive, sometimes DEADLY behavior into, “their just young” is exactly what I was complaining about.

It's not so much about being underdeveloped in my opinion, as a lack of understanding. Have you heard of the concept of the banality of evil? Like a lot of people feel they would resist the Nazis if they were in Germany at the time, but statistically it's very unlikely. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying people can change with experience.

Thats not and SHOULD NEVER be considered “normal teenaged behavior”. Censoring artwork because its “distasteful” and hurts your delicate sensibilities is normal facist behavior sure, but not normal teenaged behavior.

I'd say it's normal human behavior. I suppose I don't really feel like getting angry about it will change it. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

And I hate to break it you, the people treating others like shit when you were a teenager werent doing it because they were “teenagers”, they were doing it because they were assholes, I dont know why everyones so scared to call young people assholes. Young people can be assholes, anyone can be an asshole.

Being sheltered can make people less empathetic towards others, teenagers are sheltered because of how society is. I'm not saying teenagers can't be bad people, but there are tons of decisions and things I cared about when I was a teenager that feel distant from me today. People change with experience.

If a little kid is punching and spitting on other kids at school and threatening to seriously harm them, we dont go “oh thats normal elementary school behavior, he’ll grow out of it”, no we go, “thats concerning, that kids a genuine danger to his peers and unless its addressed he will continue to grow more violent and could possibly seriously injure someone”.

That's not my experience, usually violent students just ended up getting removed and ignored. In general, I don't think we've found good solutions to problems concerning anti-social behavior yet.

How come 8 year olds are held to a higher standard than someone whos a couple months away from being old enough to vote and join the military, most likely has a car and a job, and has had more than double the time to learn how to be a decent person?

Children are easier to control than teenagers. It's not that teenagers shouldn't be held accountable, it's that there comes a point when they go beyond the control of their parents and teachers.

They absolutely WOULD say it irl. Im not sure what age group your in, but I myself am in the 15-30 age group. Even in real life they are constantly talking about age gaps and pedophillia and grooming. They may not scream it at the top of their lungs like online or be as quick to call a swat on you, but trust me, we cant just write it off as “chronically online behavior”. We have to take these threats seriously, most of them can vote and the ones that cant will be able to very soon. The chronically online pedo virtue signaling will become chronically in real life political virtue signaling, in fact, its already happening. They wont stay teenagers forever

I don't know, my experience is that each generation feels more malleable than the next. The oldest members of my family have a clear sense of what they believe in, the Zoomers and Millenials, in contrast, just about go along with anything that sounds right. I still wouldn't be surprised if the pedohysteria turns out to be pretty shallowly motivated.

As Proust said "Fashions, being themselves begotten of the desire for change, are quick to change also."