How exactly do you justify child-adult sex (in scenarios where you believe it would be permissible)?

[msykm99]

Just because governments exploit people, doesn't mean you should exploit children.

What exactly is unfair for a minor to have sex consensual sex with an adult?

You said "sex is inevitable [...] Explain to them that it will hurt at first but it gets better. [...] If they can’t take the pain you try again another day." > This is self-serving manipulation, not consensual activity. There are many reasons penetrative sexual activity might hurt a girl before puberty, and you assume the solution is to cajole her into more penetrative sexual activity. This is one of the reasons why pro-c pedophiles are described as deranged by antis who would like to see them caged for life.

So then how do you feel about a 25 year old virgin going through the same situation with a 25 year old man?

[Brain O'Conner]

Just because governments exploit people, doesn't mean you should exploit children.

What exactly is unfair for a minor to have sex consensual sex with an adult?

You said "sex is inevitable [...] Explain to them that it will hurt at first but it gets better. [...] If they can’t take the pain you try again another day." > This is self-serving manipulation, not consensual activity. There are many reasons penetrative sexual activity might hurt a girl before puberty, and you assume the solution is to cajole her into more penetrative sexual activity. This is one of the reasons why pro-c pedophiles are described as deranged by antis who would like to see them caged for life.

Well, the truth of the matter is, penetrative sex hurts for pretty much all women of all ages. For that kind of sexual activity, as a male, you have to go slow and gentle. It's something you have to take your time with even if it takes days or maybe weeks. It can still be pretty pleasurable. The cases that it is very painful for the girl, is them being sexually abused when the man just rams it in and keeps pushing it. It's just not something you do for a woman's first time. Also, there are a lot of girls in the single digits that could handle it when treated with care. There are some girls that will enjoy it and there are some girls that may not enjoy, or at least not enjoy it right away. So, all in all, I have to disagree with most of your take.

[Jim Burton]

Putting aside any debates over similarities and differences, the physiology of a small girl, adolescent girl, or full-grown-woman is not an excuse to cajole her into penetrative sex, something the above user was trying to justify by saying that "sex is inevitable" and "it gets better".

This is self-serving behaviour and reflects very badly on pro-c pedophiles when pro-c pedophiles appear on forums and associate that kind of thinking with pro-c pedophilia.

[msykm99]

Putting aside any debates over similarities and differences, the physiology of a small girl, adolescent girl, or full-grown-woman is not an excuse to cajole her into penetrative sex, something the above user was trying to justify by saying that "sex is inevitable" and "it gets better".

This is self-serving behaviour and reflects very badly on pro-c pedophiles when pro-c pedophiles appear on forums and associate that kind of thinking with pro-c pedophilia.

All virgins of any age go through the same experience, but not the same pain. You’re gonna ignore my question about two 25 year olds because you know that I am speaking facts. You just don’t like that people like minors and that is okay. Do you honestly think that the majority of virgins that take penetration whether male or female at ANY age are the ones initiating sex? You’re probably gonna ignore this question as well.

[Jim Burton]

Initiatory sex, at any age should not be so painful it requires a self-serving justification to "try again" as you put it.

The fact that participants of one person's gender or age tend not to initiate sex acts, is not justification for pressurizing them into sex acts. Especially penetration that was not possible due to pain and/or lack of physical development.

You just don’t like that people like minors

This is why I run Newgon, I guess?

[msykm99]

Initiatory sex, at any age should not be so painful it requires a self-serving justification to "try again" as you put it.

The fact that participants of one person's gender or age tend not to initiate sex acts, is not justification for pressurizing them into sex acts. Especially penetration that was not possible due to pain and/or lack of physical development.

You just don’t like that people like minors

This is why I run Newgon, I guess?

Pressuring and suggesting are two different things. And both of these things go one regardless of age, gender or virginity status. I have no idea what your last comment means but this all boils down to you and anti’s getting the ick from adults liking minors. You get suggestions from big companies to buy poisonous products everyday but I bet you’re not on a forum arguing with other that what these companies are doing is bad. But let me guess you're gonna say “just because big companies sell us poison doesn’t mean you should suggest sex with minors”. After every point that I make, you don’t have a valid argument to why a mutual sexual arrangement with a minor is a) harmful to the minor or b) manipulative or exploitative. What is the difference between a 25 year old virgin willing to try sex again even after the first initial contact vs a minor that fully understands what she experienced.

[Jim Burton]

I explicitly told you that age does not matter when you manipulate and pressurize a person into penetrative sex. It remains manipulation, whatever justifications you throw out, suggesting that "most" girls or woman of whatever age don't or can't initiate sex or show agency.

Remember, you denied manipulation was a thing when you said "Sex is inevitable so the idea of MAPs “taking advantage” or “manipulating” a child is so dumb [...] Explain to them that it will hurt at first but it gets better. [...] If they can’t take the pain you try again another day".

This is a self-centred and self-justifying attitude based upon your own need for penetrative sex with a young, I assume prepubescent child. It also war-games incredibly poorly as an argument for the reform of attitudes towards man-girl sex.

Because... this sounds to me like the words of a person who has little to no hope of nuancing suggestion from undue pressure. I would not trust such a person with my own dependent offspring, and given I am a pro-c MAP ally with no dependent offspring, this isn't a particularly good advertisement for pro-c pedophiles.

Nor have I suggested harm. Harm might result from manipulative relations, but is surprisingly absent from these scenarios, given all the social baggage surrounding them.

An honest question; Are you really attracted to girls, or more attracted to the idea of penetrative sex, virginity, or "deflowering"?

[msykm99]

You’re basically saying that all sex is bad then because the one taking penetration isnt the first to initiate sex. You have no argument. And what you are arguing is unrealistic. Couples or people sexually involved don’t get the idea of lets have sex at the same time. Someone has to initiate. This to you is considered pressure or manipulation. How are you pro-c if you can’t even reason with yourself on this topic? Everything we do in life is suggested by others whether it be sex or being forced to go to school. Your argument makes no sense.

I can honestly care less about deflowering a girl I’m attracted to her youth. It seems like you want the minor to be the one to come to us for sex when that is just unrealistic. Without the internet do you think any girl or woman would even want to have sex? Atleast answer this question. Honestly do you think that would happen? The point I’m making is that according to you, all sex is bad and we shouldn’t be doing it at all because pressuring and being self centered is wrong.

[BLueRibbon]

It seems like you want the minor to be the one to come to us for sex when that is just unrealistic.

Why is that unrealistic?

Without the internet do you think any girl or woman would even want to have sex?

Yes. Females are not asexual.