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There are female pedophiles, sure. A lot of them. We know that much.

So why aren't they here? What are they doing?

Are they too busy luring 10-year old boys to their apartments without anybody ever suspecting anything foul, to bother caring about any others?

Or are they just too unsure about how to involve themselves? Do they feel unwelcome? Or do they, like many male MAPs do, just feel that there's no point in trying to make it more accepted, and the only way to go is keeping it hidden?

So how do we get them to care about the movement? Has there been any efforts by the MAP community to involve more females?

Because we know now that there certainly are some, thanks to certain art/fiction sites and accounts on Twitter etc. covering subjects that appeal to them. I really have no ideas myself, i've only had very little contact with some, and it hasn't given me any answers, but it's something that really should be discussed a lot more.

I doubt straight female MAPs have it as easy as you might believe. There is very little motivation, from the perspective of a boy, not to tell his friends that he got laid by a woman.

I think you make the mistake of assuming that female pedophiles don't care, and I think such a mistake speaks to how female pedophiles are perceived in the community. When they're seen as a rare unicorn, as necessarily having an easier time, then they may feel misunderstood and less likely to engage with the community.

Speaking of the BL community in particular, and as a trans man who was once female, some factors I've seen that could keep women from the community include:

• Lack of women: Yes, it's circular logic. But a "boy's club" atmosphere can be hard to break down, and women may not want to deal with having to break it down in the first place. Perhaps there could be more female-only spaces, such as Butterfly Kisses was for lesbian pedophiles.
• Pedophilia seen as a male phenomenon: Even if a woman comes out to herself as a pedophile, she may think of herself as the only one, or as different from other pedophiles. Related to the above, if she seeks out pedophile sites and sees that they're male-dominated, then her perception of herself as abnormal may be validated.
• Sexism/male chauvinism: A problem that's plagued BL spaces since the beginning. Characterizations of women as emotional, deceitful, hysterical bitches who are always playing the victim; un-nuanced attacks against "feminism"; disparaging remarks about women's bodies and personalities. All of these are off-putting and certainly don't make women want to work with such men.
  (And to head off any arguments: yes, I'm aware women can be sexist toward men as well, and such sexism isn't good either)
• Seeing man/boy love as the ideal: Boylove spaces and writings often take the tone that men and boys need each other and have special relationships. The special, non-maternal bonds between women and children are not spoken of, and so women may feel they don't "fit in" with such spaces.

I believe that if a group of women set the ball rolling, they will call the others who hide in the forum pedophiles. Few of them claim to be women behind their aliases. And men need to be more open to them and let them in, after all we are here for a common love, children

Women receive more unwanted sexual attention, and from an earlier age than men. Pedophilia is one issue they can ts pressure against this, because no one wants to be seen as defending pedophiles. Basically, either society has to loosen it's sexual boundaries (like during the sexual revolution) in which case unwanted sexual attention wouldn't be seen as a big deal, or you need to get rid of rape culture.
It's easier to understand why the first possibility isn't going to happen: if you're straight, would you really want to put up with being groped by gay men, or if you're an exclusive MAP would you really want to put up with being groped by a 70 year-old man or woman? Then there's the issue of STDs: a big part of why the sexual revolution went backwards was because of the AIDs crisis, which made casual sex potentially fatal.
So there's the possibility of getting rid of rape culture. Logically speaking, the the structure of the fear of MAPs is because of the equation "attraction = action", as though openly admitting to being attracted to children will lead to assault children. Again, think these in terms: under what conditions would you be comfortable with the open expression of the sexual attention of a 70 year-old of the sex you are unattracted to?

Combine this with the fact that women tend to be more concerned by following social conventions than men. Consider the fact that the majority of political extremists are male. As long as MAPs come across as an anti-social element (like the far right, religious extremists, or anarchists) women will avoid getting involved. We need to be more moderate, and socially conventional if we want more women to get involved.
After all, from women's perspective, why would they want to be involved with people that already disregard the biggest sexual boundary that almost everyone else agrees to? Note, I'm only aware of three cisgender female MAPs, and all three of them have made an explicit point of being opposed to rape culture (although, interestingly all three are pro-contact).

PorcelainLark wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:52 am Women receive more unwanted sexual attention, and from an earlier age than men. Pedophilia is one issue they can ts pressure against this, because no one wants to be seen as defending pedophiles. Basically, either society has to loosen it's sexual boundaries (like during the sexual revolution) in which case unwanted sexual attention wouldn't be seen as a big deal, or you need to get rid of rape culture.
It's easier to understand why the first possibility isn't going to happen: if you're straight, would you really want to put up with being groped by gay men, or if you're an exclusive MAP would you really want to put up with being groped by a 70 year-old man or woman? Then there's the issue of STDs: a big part of why the sexual revolution went backwards was because of the AIDs crisis, which made casual sex potentially fatal.
So there's the possibility of getting rid of rape culture. Logically speaking, the the structure of the fear of MAPs is because of the equation "attraction = action", as though openly admitting to being attracted to children will lead to assault children. Again, think these in terms: under what conditions would you be comfortable with the open expression of the sexual attention of a 70 year-old of the sex you are unattracted to?

Combine this with the fact that women tend to be more concerned by following social conventions than men. Consider the fact that the majority of political extremists are male. As long as MAPs come across as an anti-social element (like the far right, religious extremists, or anarchists) women will avoid getting involved. We need to be more moderate, and socially conventional if we want more women to get involved.
After all, from women's perspective, why would they want to be involved with people that already disregard the biggest sexual boundary that almost everyone else agrees to? Note, I'm only aware of three cisgender female MAPs, and all three of them have made an explicit point of being opposed to rape culture (although, interestingly all three are pro-contact).

Female maps are around and large in number too! The post i quoted is pretty good at covering the reasons they're often quieter.

Some of the female MAPs that Ive spoken to are turned off by the extremism that is often evident in these communities. Ive had many arguments with people who take contrarian viewpoints on matters that dont have anything to do with MAPs. I often argue against people who complain that all feminism is antisex, antimap, antichildren, antimale etc for example. There is a lot of racism within these communities, transphobia, and ageism. We're maps, duh, but people throwing around the term "granny" for any girl above the age of 13 is terribly annoying and degrading

Extreme views like the above just make map communities look more fringe, as if maps are all old out of touch males xD

I care! Im here! I am female but identify as male. I am radically pro contact and pro youth rights and anti infantilization, am non exclusive, into 0-9 year old boys and girls and 40-60 year old men. I dont know why I am attracted to both babies and DILFS as they have nothing in common but both are appealing in different ways. I would NEVER risk breaking the law, not because I agree with them, I HATE the stupid laws and think the AoC should be fully abolished as well as the status of legal minor, but I follow the law so that I dont go to jail because jail is boring and scary and even hot 5 year old boy ass isnt worth prison food

G@yWad69 wrote: Tue Jul 01, 2025 2:33 am I care! Im here! I am female but identify as male. I am radically pro contact and pro youth rights and anti infantilization, am non exclusive, into 0-9 year old boys and girls and 40-60 year old men. I dont know why I am attracted to both babies and DILFS as they have nothing in common but both are appealing in different ways. I would NEVER risk breaking the law, not because I agree with them, I HATE the stupid laws and think the AoC should be fully abolished as well as the status of legal minor, but I follow the law so that I dont go to jail because jail is boring and scary and even hot 5 year old boy ass isnt worth prison food

Oh goodness, run away with me . Ahem, sorry, frog in my throat.. yeah totes agree... Food is sooo mid.. and I DO NOT look good in orange.

I know two female maps and I asked one about activism in forums like this and she just said she couldn't see the point.

I don't know if it's a gender thing, it might be, but she just felt activism was pointless because the worlds "too f*cked up to see its own injustices". I don't think it's that they don't care, but that don't seem to engage in activism as much, I don't really know why. But the other female map I know is a bit more outspoken but again, not online. But I've seen her snap in a conversation with the pedophile subject comes up and her really lose it about the pedo bashing, as if people don't have better things to be doing with their lives.

It's a good question though, what stops female maps getting more involved and what could chnage to encourage them to?

PorcelainLark wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:52 am Women receive more unwanted sexual attention, and from an earlier age than men. Pedophilia is one issue they can ts pressure against this, because no one wants to be seen as defending pedophiles. Basically, either society has to loosen it's sexual boundaries (like during the sexual revolution) in which case unwanted sexual attention wouldn't be seen as a big deal, or you need to get rid of rape culture.

It's easier to understand why the first possibility isn't going to happen: if you're straight, would you really want to put up with being groped by gay men, or if you're an exclusive MAP would you really want to put up with being groped by a 70 year-old man or woman? Then there's the issue of STDs: a big part of why the sexual revolution went backwards was because of the AIDs crisis, which made casual sex potentially fatal.

Unwanted groping is an expression of rape culture, but it is also illegal. As far as I know, there are no MAPs who advocate for making it legal for adults to grope minors—or anyone else—without their consent

I don’t believe that most forms of unwanted attention are part of rape culture. Instead, they seem to be an unintended but inevitable consequence of the sexual revolution. If everyone has the freedom to express sexual interest toward anyone else, it’s inevitable that sometimes people will be approached or propositioned by those they find unattractive. Most of those on the receiving end of such unwanted attention are women and girls, since men tend to be the ones doing the approaching and propositioning. Overtly pushy men are a real issue for women to deal with, but I can't think of any solution beyond criminalizing pushiness as sexual harassment, which society already does.

In a hypothetical society where the age of consent is abolished, more minors would receive unwanted romantic and sexual attention, but more minors would also receive wanted romantic and sexual attention. It goes both ways. In today's society, parents warn their children about pedophiles, and as a result, many children are deeply afraid of them. This undoubtedly heightens the fear factor when, for example, a stranger approaches or even just stares at them, far beyond what it otherwise would be.

Many adult women don't want men to randomly approach them to make sexual advances, and they would be horrified at the thought of this happening to children. The main problem with this kind of sex-negative attitude is that, if taken to its logical conclusion, no one would express sexual interest in anyone else anymore, and we’d end up right back where we were before the sexual revolution. After all, it’s impossible to know in advance whether the person you’re approaching is attracted to you or will be upset by your attention. What one woman considers unwanted attention, another may welcome. Some women dislike being catcalled and see it as as harassment, while others find it flattering. Generally, young women are not interested in dating old men and don't like being approached by them, but there are enough exceptions to make it worthwhile for old men to approach young women.

The most sensible approach is probably to teach children of both sexes from a young age that unwanted attention is, to some extent, inevitable—and that they should feel empowered to say 'no' and move on, rather than becoming upset or afraid.