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Fragment wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:01 pm An otherwise fairly good post also includes this nugget:

The attraction toward young is an issue mostly of power and dominance rather than actual sexual attraction. Thus most pedophiles being themselves insecure losers although possible to be hidden behind a role of confidence (think incel). The attraction is mostly one of power over the victim, a power fantasy of subjugation and being in charge, less/no objection from the oposite.

So inaccurate, at least as far as my attraction goes. And likely many other BLs. If we're so interested in asserting power and dominance, then why is the top fantasy for many BLs giving pleasure (either manual or oral stimulation) to a boy rather than receiving pleasure?

That isn't to deny the existence of MAPs with a power fantasy, but the traditional rape dynamic seems to be more characteristic of situational offenders than preferential offenders (and non-offenders).

I wouldn't say my attractions are about power and dominance either. For me I want to get and give pleasure in my fantasies.

Fragment wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:01 pm An otherwise fairly good post also includes this nugget:

The attraction toward young is an issue mostly of power and dominance rather than actual sexual attraction. Thus most pedophiles being themselves insecure losers although possible to be hidden behind a role of confidence (think incel). The attraction is mostly one of power over the victim, a power fantasy of subjugation and being in charge, less/no objection from the oposite.

So inaccurate, at least as far as my attraction goes. And likely many other BLs. If we're so interested in asserting power and dominance, then why is the top fantasy for many BLs giving pleasure (either manual or oral stimulation) to a boy rather than receiving pleasure?

That isn't to deny the existence of MAPs with a power fantasy, but the traditional rape dynamic seems to be more characteristic of situational offenders than preferential offenders (and non-offenders).

Well, self-reports and surveys won't change their minds, and neither you or any MAP telling them how altruistic you are to your YFs. My strategy is often developing from one of the three ledes:

1) The talking point about power fantasy being nothing more than unsubstantiated and overtly simplistic psychoanalysis, on the top of being just an ad hominem when used in actual debates and arguments
2) Non-egalitarianism in personal relationships isn't necessarily a bad thing
3) If the submissive partner actually wants to, or enjoys not being an equal or superior to their partner, the talking point falls apart.

Essentially, rather than dealing with the emotional implications, I suggest to shove the emotional baggage out of the way and ask for evidence rather than engaging with what is clearly a bigoted statement, or just call it out as bigoted in the first place, especially in more left-leaning spaces. If your opponent is right-wing, then calling it "woke BS" and relating it to the way certain radfems like McKinnon demonise heterosexuality as an expression of male power and dominance is a good strategy too.

But yes, for me as a MAP it's not about power, it's about the well-being of the YF, looking out for them, and forming a deeper tie with them as well.

Fragment wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:01 pm An otherwise fairly good post also includes this nugget:

The attraction toward young is an issue mostly of power and dominance rather than actual sexual attraction. Thus most pedophiles being themselves insecure losers although possible to be hidden behind a role of confidence (think incel). The attraction is mostly one of power over the victim, a power fantasy of subjugation and being in charge, less/no objection from the oposite.

So inaccurate, at least as far as my attraction goes. And likely many other BLs. If we're so interested in asserting power and dominance, then why is the top fantasy for many BLs giving pleasure (either manual or oral stimulation) to a boy rather than receiving pleasure?

I also get pleasure first and foremost by giving pleasure. This applies to relations with women (I'm not exclusive) and it would apply to relations with boys as well.
How come this BS of asserting power and dominance is perpetuated I have no idea... Oh, wait, maybe that's because they just don't directly ask us?

Artaxerxes II wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:43 pm Well, self-reports and surveys won't change their minds, and neither you or any MAP telling them how altruistic you are to your YFs. My strategy is often developing from one of the three ledes:

1) The talking point about power fantasy being nothing more than unsubstantiated and overtly simplistic psychoanalysis, on the top of being just an ad hominem when used in actual debates and arguments
2) Non-egalitarianism in personal relationships isn't necessarily a bad thing
3) If the submissive partner actually wants to, or enjoys not being an equal or superior to their partner, the talking point falls apart.

Essentially, rather than dealing with the emotional implications, I suggest to shove the emotional baggage out of the way and ask for evidence rather than engaging with what is clearly a bigoted statement, or just call it out as bigoted in the first place, especially in more left-leaning spaces. If your opponent is right-wing, then calling it "woke BS" and relating it to the way certain radfems like McKinnon demonise heterosexuality as an expression of male power and dominance is a good strategy too.

I wrote my post while you were posting yours, so I didn't read it first. Well, probably you are right: self-report and surveys will not have much impact on their minds. I agree with your strategy.

Fragment wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 2:23 am

FairBlueLove wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:08 pm How come this BS of asserting power and dominance is perpetuated I have no idea... Oh, wait, maybe that's because they just don't directly ask us?

They asked "us", but the "us" they asked were serial molesters in prison who often had psychopathic tendencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SYdi36D3g

Like this.

Right, which is probably a 0.x % of full "us". Probably the same - well maybe a bit more due to societal pressures - as the % of serial molesters regardless of age compared to the full population. It's like: "Let's see if most hetero wants to assert power and dominance over women, by asking those who did molest women".