Fragment interrogated by MrGirl

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Reading a few comments on MrGirl's substack:
I didn't get the impression that the caller actually believes minors can consent. I think he was lying. I think Max was right about him getting off on the power differential itself. Him switching frameworks every time Max refuted something he said reinforces my belief on that. He doesn't really believe any of that stuff, he's just wriggling out of direct confrontation.
"Pedophiles are just deceptive liars" to go, please.
The closest he got to breaking through his web of delusions was when he asked what would happen if intercourse with women were outlawed. That’s the closest he got to saying “I didn’t behave, but you hypocrites would have done the exact same thing in my position, I despise all of you and you are no better than me.” You can tell that’s what he believes deep down. He can’t even fully own that, let alone think that he might have done something horrible.
Close. Very close.

And then a recent post from Max:
Yeah, this interview kind of blurred the lines for me between rationalization and lack of a conscience--I think they might be the same thing.

I always thought of predators as pure psychopaths who know they are hurting people, but now I think maybe all rationalization is psychopathic, and some people just do it more than others.
His willingness to universalize certain traits is one thing I like about him. I don't agree with his conclusions or his exact characterization here. But it looks like I did help shake him out of a bit of a false binary he had set up. He's stuck on the "predator" label, but perhaps I helped him move a bit beyond "adults that engage sexually with minors lack a conscience".
I'm not saying that all scoutmasters are pedophiles. I might be saying that the best ones are.
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I was shaken by how much of a brick wall he was
Appropriate response? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yh_vPXaeLo
I didn't get the impression that the caller actually believes minors can consent. I think he was lying.
That's funny, I don't get the impression Max actually believes minors can't consent. I think he lies about that.
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They always do the silly dance and Max kind of did, too.

"Minors can't consent and when they can it's still bad because of power disparities that make it not real consent."

Consent is such a No True Scotsman fallacy. Whenever you prove that minors might actually be capable of one form of consent they say that it's not real consent. They have this perfect Platonic Form ideal of what consent should look like, then fail to realize that ideal doesn't even really exist in most adult-adult sexual encounters.
I'm not saying that all scoutmasters are pedophiles. I might be saying that the best ones are.
Louis C.K: Sorry

Interviews:
1: https://fstube.net/w/4bmc3B97iHsUA8rgyUv21S
3: https://fstube.net/w/xd1o7ctj2s51v97EVZhwHs
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What I don’t understand is that somehow “sexual consent” is soooo difficult (more complex than a rubix cube that kids can solve) but somehow how at 18 or 21 or 25 it appears fully formed. Also the fetishitzation of “informed consent” as the only valid form of consent is puzzling.
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