Why do you tell yourself that kids can consent?

[G@yWad69]

Also, sorry for posting so many replies, but this subject is very important to me

1.Its not often antis are open minded enough to try to see things from our perspective

2.You said we were “lying”, and I am deeply offended that you think we are “lying” simply because we dare to have a different opinion than you

The way yall treat survivors of child physical abuse vs child sexual abuse tells me all I need to know. Everyone claims that they are against child sexual abuse because it “hurts children” and they want to prevent “adult on child violence”. But suspicously, despite murdering and torturing adults with this justification, no one seems to give a single fuck about child physical abuse.

49% of Americans beat their kids, did you know that? But I guess you dont care, because to yall, its only violence if taboo sex was involved. Protecting children from “abuse” only matters if it is commited by a minority and goes against the sexual status quo

I was severely beaten as a child, mainly in my preteens, for some odd reason, my dad decided he hated me once I reached middle school. He would hold me down and punch me in the face, slap me in the face. Pick me up and throw me accross the room, throw objects at my head. And over stupid shit too, like eating all the snacks, getting a bad grade in math, etc. When I was older, I even called CPS to report the blatant acts of child abuse. And you want to know what CPS did?

They LAUGHED in my FACE and sent me home.

Now imagine if I had come to CPS with a different story than “my grown ass dad beats the ever loving shit out of me to the point where I block the doors at night so he doesnt come in and sleep with a knife under my pillow, every day im scared to go home.”

Imagine if I had instead said “I am in a loving and commited relationship with the man next door, he cares deeply about me, he listens to me when I vent to him about the beatings my dad has put me through and has stood up to my dad to defend me multiple times. He comforts me after the beatings and takes me out to get icecream to cheer me up. He is genuinely the only stable adult figure I have in my life and treats me with more honesty, love, and respect than any of the other adult figures in my life. I also find him sexually appealing, and on rare occassions, I willingly let him fondle my budding breasts. I enjoy it and it makes me feel good”

Imagine if I had told the cops and CPS the second story instead of the first. Imagine how fast my adult lover, the only one with the love and compassion and power to help me through my abuse, a person who I cared about and deeply respected, who I WILLINGLY CONSENTED to letting touch my body and whos touched I welcomed. The only adult to treat me as an equal. Imagine how FAST the cops/CPS would have that man locked up for decades in prison. A man who violently beats children and has nothing but contenpt and disgust for his own child walks away scott free, but a man who deeply loves children, even if they are not his own, and gently strokes their body with only their permission, gets DECADES in prison? Now unfortuantly there was no adult lover in my life, but I genuinely wish there had been one.

My dad got away scott free with child abuse on the sole basis that he “wasnt a pedophile” and it “wasnt sexual”. Millions of Americans who physically abuse their child, either dont get called out or get SUPPORTED, for “disciplining” their child. Millions of Americans will shame child sex “abusers” for violating childrens bodys, for causing pain to children, for making children afraid, then they will turn around and spank. and beat and hit and throw their children. And to them its perfectly fine, because no matter what bullshit yall claim. Yall dont hate child sexual “abuse” because its abuse, yall hate child “sexual” abuse because its SEXUAL. Yall dont give a god damn about “protecting children from harm” the problem with csa to yall is the S part, not the A part. It disgusts you and destroys your view that children are innocent asexual pure virgins, pedophillia disgusts you, so you make up a bunch of shallow hypocritical arguments for why its “bad”. Because it “causes trauma”, because it “hurts children” because its “unnecssary violence” then damn near half of you will violently beat yalls kids, unncessarily traumatizing them. And yall dgaf. And the other 50 either supports it or arbitrarily views it as way less worse than “csa” on the sole basis of “at least its not sexual”

In highschool one of my teachers confessed that she beat her four year old little boy so hard that he SHIT HIMSELF. Did you read that?? She beat a LITERAL TODDLER so hard that he fucking LOST BOWL CONTROL. And she LAUGHED! And so did the rest of my class! Now imagine if she had said something like “I lovingly stroke my 4 year olds penis, he enjoys the feeling and actively asks me for more” she would have been fucking murdered on the spot. Because its not about PROTECTING KIDS. Its about “protecting” their SEXUAL IGNORANCE. Its about “protecting” THE STATUS QUO. Its about having a sexual minority to project all your problems onto. Its about finding a scape goat to blame for the shitty way yall raise yalls children. “My little susan cusses at me, hits her peers, doesnt respect me or any authority, but its not because I refuse to show her any repesct, cuss her out frequently, and have tought her that violence is ok through beating her for her entire life, no! That would make too much sense! It must be because she saw that older guys penis for five minutes that one time 8 years ago! Clearly the problem could never be me!”

The very discrepancy in the way yall treat child physical abuse over child sexual abuse, even when the child loves their “abusers” willingly signed up for the “abuse” and actively seeks out more “abuse” tells me all I need to know about how much of this hatred is because you “hate child abuse”

And don't you find that strange? That unlike child physical abuse or child emotional abuse, with child sexual “abuse”, unless it was genuinely forced or coerced, the child has to be essentially brainwashed for years, up to decades, to convince them that their experience was negative and traumatic? That they show absolutely zero evidence of trauma from receiving child sexual “abuse” until we drag them through the lengthy court system? Until we shame them and tell them their bodies are ruined and that theyve suffered a fate worse than death for having sex with someone older?

That the person they love and care about is an evil monster who was just using them and should be raped and killed in prison? Dont you find it the least bit odd, that no child is searching out how to be beaten by adults, that no child enjoys being beaten by adults. That children try to avoid being beaten by adults as much as possible, and that children intrinsiclly know in their gut that their treatment is painful and react accordingly. As is the case with child emotional abuse, finacial abuse, neglect, etc. but when it comes to willing encounters of child sexual “abuse”. Children actively seek out this “abuse”. They genuinely enjoy this “abuse” and recieve pleasure from this “abuse” and ask their older partners for more “abuse”, and that the children function perfectly fine in their day to day lives and it is only till the relationship is found out, and even then, years, sometimes DECADES down the road that the “trauma” suddenly seems to kick in? Unlike any other form of abuse, you basically have to indoctrinate willing “csa” “survivors” into reacting negatively, and if you dont intervene at all they forget about the expiernces and move on with their lives and function perfectly fine, or even enjoy it as positive. Yall claim its the effects of “grooming”, but this is going to be a shocker to you, but pedos dont have magical dick mind control powers.

Have yall ever considered, that the reasons so many children react so postively to willing “csa” compared to other forms of abuse, is not because pedos have mind control powers that last for years or even decades that brainwash children into enjoying mutual and enjoyed sex with them, casting them under a spell that can only be broken with repeated shame from the adults in their lives, negative pop culture depections, intense months long sessions of therapy, and the strenuous legal system, that maybe, just maybe, the reason why kids seem to react so positively or even neuturally to willing child sexual “abuse” compared to all other forms of abuse, is because…it isnt…even fucking abuse in the first place? Just food for thought.

I have the view that something is only abuse if you treat someone with cruelty or violence (the literal defintion of abuse btw). I also dont believe that sucking some kids dick because they are under some magical special number not rooted in biology is by default “cruel” and “violent”.

And alot of yalls arguments against csa depends entirely on the law. Im supposed to belive that if a 17 and 364 day old has willing sex with a 21 year old, they will be scared for life and ruined forever. But if a day later they turn 18 and the 18 year old has willing sex with a 50 year old, they wont be “traumatized” or “ruined for life”? What magical special transformation happens on midnight of that former 17 year olds birthday that a day before having sex with a slightly older partner would have been even worse then getting repeatedly stabbed in the chest, but a day later they can fuck as many people more than twice their age as possible all while smiling in the camera and end up completely unharmed

How come their are so many minors on the sex offender regristry. As a matter of fact, why are minors on the sex offender regristry in the first place? How can I minor be held accountable, often to the standards of fully grown adults, if they dont even “understand consent or know what to expect in sex”

How come if a 10-15 year old has sex with a 4-8 year old. He is old enough to be placed on the sex offender regristry and be sent to prison, because he “understands consent and willingly violated it.” But if that same 10-15 year old had sex with a 20 year old, they magically dont understand consent anymore. Convienient that “understanding consent” is an only valid argument to you people when it comes to locking people away in prison, even if its the minors you so desperately claim to want to protect. Explain to me how a 13 year old is old enough to consent to being tried as an adult, placed on the sex offender regristry indefininetly, and locked behind bars with no accesses to his friends, family, or the outside world, but somehow cant consent to a hot MILF giving him a blowjob. And I genuinely want an answer because I am struggling to understand this.


Kids get put on the sex offender regristry as “child rapists” as young as SEVEN YEARS OLD. SEVEN. Very convienent that a seven year old understand consent when you want to lock them away indefinently and publicly shame them for having sex, but they magically loose the abillity to understand consent if they have an older partner. All pain and no pleasure. Old enough to be punished but not to have pleasure. Old enough to go to prison, get put on the regristry, get placed in ankle monitors, yet not old enough to have sex or drink. Make it make sense

Another thing that gives me a clue that the CSA hysteria isnt about protecting kids from “abuse” but protecting kids from “sex”. The way yall treat things like child sex dolls and lolicon and child sex written fiction and child sex ai and even age play(despite the fact that age play has jack shit to do with pedophillia)

Child sex dolls-banned in several countries and several American states. Because not only do we have to “protect” children, we also have to “protect” hunks of plastic

Lolicon-Banned in several countries, because the harm done to innocent lewded dragon lolis is just as bad as the harm done to living breathing children

Child sex written fiction-Banned in several countries, most notabley in Austrilia, where a woman was recently arrested for writing a novel about a toddler and her adult sex partner. Because we also need to protect words on a paper from such cruel acts of violence

Child sex ai-Banned in several countries, including America. Because those innocent robot children will be traumatized for life from the sexual violence infliected on them by pedophiles

Ageplay-Illegal in Australia for “portraying minors”, not allowed on multiple porn streaming platforms for “portraying minors”.

So not only do yall claim that children need to be protected from pedophiles, but also dolls, cartoon anime girls, words on a page, ai robots, and grown ass adults will also be “traumatized” and “harmed” by pedophiles. If it was really about protecting children, only sex with a living breathing child would be illegal. But as we all know thats not the case, and theres people out there serving decades long sentences in prison for watching Dragon-Maid porn.

Its funny that this isnt the case for other forms of abuse. Fnaf isnt banned because it “promotes and encourages” child murders to harm children. Bdsm porn isnt banned beacause it “normalizes beating your partners”. Adult sex dolls arent banned because they “encourage rapists to objectify women” yet when it comes to MAP sexuality, doing anything outside of simply THINKING about kids means you deserve decades in prison. I find that very telling

[mrlolicon93]

I'm gonna tell you something i have never told anyone in my real life not sure i can talk about this on here but i feel it is relevant to this thread.

When i was a little kid i had a relationship with a teacher it never crossed into sexual intercourse but she and i were very close and she would let me rub her back and shoulders and stroke her hair and that's as far as it went because she obviously still wanted to keep her job.

I don't feel like i was groomed or taken advantage of because i wanted to do it and she wanted it too and we both liked it so nobody was harmed.

As a kid i had many crushes on adults and i would get bullied by my classmates and they would laugh at me and tell to fall in love with people your own age and the idea that adults and kids couldn't be together has never sat well with me even back then.

When i was around 9 or 10 a counselor told me about the age of consent while i was staying at camp and i remember it caused me to have a meltdown as a child.

So why do i think kids can consent? well.... because they can you just aren't teaching them about sex and consent properly and we rob young people of experiences and treat them like they are lesser than adults.

[G@yWad69]

So why do i think kids can consent? well.... because they can

No frl like its literally that simple. Whenever someone says something like “kids cant consent” it sounds just as dumb to me as saying “kids cant think for themselves” or “kids cant agree to things”. Because that is literally the DEFENTION of consent. Thinking for yourself to agree to things. Have you ever heard a five year old say “mom I want you to give me a bubble bath” thats consent. Have you ever heard an 8 year old say “Teacher I want a back massage” but if a 10 year old were to say “G@yWad, I want you to play with my willy” thats suddenly not consent? Kids give permission and agree to things all the damn time, being able to “consent” is the default that comes with being a sentient human being with a brain.

Do these people seriously expect me to believe that never on the histroy of planet earth had a kid, or will a kid ever, even if they are 17 and 364 days old, ever agree to anything ever? What??! If this logic wasnt used to justify setting people on fire(I saw a video of a man being set on fire for attempting to meet with a FICTIONAL minor) or being raped, or being brutally beaten, or being thrown in jail, or being murdered, I would laugh at the og poster, roll my eyes, and continue to scroll. But the fact that this is a genuine viewpoint that not only some, but the majority of the western world, ans now the world in general due to colonialism, has, deeply disturbs me and makes me loose faith in humanity(not the young parts of humanity tho, love those little guys)

[Not Forever]

When i was around 9 or 10 a counselor told me about the age of consent while i was staying at camp and i remember it caused me to have a meltdown as a child.

I'm curious, if I may ask, what was discussed? I can picture an adult telling a group of barely teens: "Even if you think you want sex, you don’t truly desire it."
But if they’re deemed incapable of granting meaningful consent, shouldn’t that same logic render them unable to grasp why they can’t consent in the first place?

[Judgey]

Even if and when they can consent doesn't mean you should have sex with them.
Unless you intend on marrying this person, and they truly deeply love you.
Good lovers understand sex usually ruins everything in a relationship, unless you're some kind of expert on love & sex magick.

You want to have lots of kids love you long time? It's simple. Never have sex with any of them, and they'll love you long time.

[G@yWad69]

Even if and when they can consent doesn't mean you should have sex with them.
Unless you intend on marrying this person, and they truly deeply love you.
Good lovers understand sex usually ruins everything in a relationship, unless you're some kind of expert on love & sex magick.

You want to have lots of kids love you long time? It's simple. Never have sex with any of them, and they'll love you long time.

Ahh yes the classic “sex outside of marriage and procreation is inherently evil, relationship destroying, and damaging” The catholic church called, they want their priest back

[RoosterDance]

When I was older, I even called CPS to report the blatant acts of child abuse. And you want to know what CPS did?

They LAUGHED in my FACE and sent me home.

I would also like to ask more about this if I may.

How did you make this report? Was it a phone call? Email? Or was there an office you actually walked into?

Could I ask more detail on what you told them? Perhaps somehow they didn't get the picture clearly enough.

Also could I ask for more detail on how they responded? I imagine they gave you some boilerplate response. Said "we'll let someone know," then you never heard from them again?

And it's clear how you feel about this now, but what was your gut reaction back then when you got that response?

[ZeroXJoker]

I see yall talking about "kids can consent". I think that's wrong. How could a kid consent to sex when they don't even know what it is yet? If they don't even know what to expect, how is it consent?

It's even way worse when you say you like kids that can't even talk and don't have a big logic. Some kids you say you are attracted to, can't even talk, and that's just straight up direct using. Like an object.

I certainly didn't know that having someone else dick in your mouth when I was 9 or 10 years old was a sexual act but I still agreed to do it as part of a bet with a friend of mine at the time (he was a few years older than me). I certainly consented to that before I really knew what sex was at all. Lots of people consent to things without knowing the whole picture. People enlisted in the armed forces despite not really knowing what military life is like.

I put your other sentence later on in this quote because while we are MAPS we don't all agree on consent of even what age someone can give consent. I certainly don't believe that anyone in the single digit age ranges can consent (I know I sound like a hypocrite saying that) to AMSC). I believe preteens can give consent to AMSC.

If so many people tell they were traumatized because of being abused as a child, it's that it does indeed hurts the kids.

Yes some people are traumatized because they were abused and that is wholly awful I think we will all agree with that. That said there are some people who did have sexual or romantic relationships with adults as a minor and it didn't bother them.

I think you are lying to yourself, building this world where it is okay, with fake arguments, cause you are terrified of telling yourself you're hurting children.

Just because we are MAPs doesn't mean we all actually want to go on act on said attractions. Goes back what I mentioned a bit ago with consent not even being agreed upon in the community. Its an itch yea but its a itch I don't scratch.

But you can choose not to act on it, and not to give anyone else the idea that it is okay to do so.

Not everyone who is a MAP will act on their urges. I certainly never had and don't intend to. The risks greatly outweight the rewards.

[Judgey]

Even if and when they can consent doesn't mean you should have sex with them.
Unless you intend on marrying this person, and they truly deeply love you.
Good lovers understand sex usually ruins everything in a relationship, unless you're some kind of expert on love & sex magick.

You want to have lots of kids love you long time? It's simple. Never have sex with any of them, and they'll love you long time.

Ahh yes the classic “sex outside of marriage and procreation is inherently evil, relationship destroying, and damaging” The catholic church called, they want their priest back

it's just common decency and respect for oneself and others, the families involved. family unity. world peace.
sucking off your friend is wrong. relationships shouldn't work like that, it destroys society, children mostly. so stop doing it.

[mrlolicon93]

When i was around 9 or 10 a counselor told me about the age of consent while i was staying at camp and i remember it caused me to have a meltdown as a child.

I'm curious, if I may ask, what was discussed? I can picture an adult telling a group of barely teens: "Even if you think you want sex, you don’t truly desire it."
But if they’re deemed incapable of granting meaningful consent, shouldn’t that same logic render them unable to grasp why they can’t consent in the first place?

From what i remember another kid told on me and i got in trouble for trying to hit on female counselors which caused me to have a meltdown.

I was brought outside with a male counselor and he yelled at me over my behavior and i argued with him and kept asking him why can't kids and adults be together and he just kept repeating the same answer over and over because it is illegal and that made me feel sad.