Pedophillia as a mental illness

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G@yWad43

Pedophillia as a mental illness

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Is anyone else really confused on what the point of pedophillia being in the DSM is? People try so hard to make it a mental disorder but refuse to treat it as a mental disorder. The only explanation I can think if is to involuntary commit us for longer periods of time since we are too “criminally insane” to be let out, like with Coalinga state hospital. Ive heard the rationalization that it harms others and thats why it should be a disorder, but if we are operating on the viewpoint that pedophillia is harmful and harmful thought patterns and behaviors are disorders, then why isnt racism a mental illness? Or being sexist? And why cant hebephillia and ephebophillia be added either? Since antis believe that all minors are equal under sexual inferiority and the average anti, wether they work in the goverment or mental health or are just regular citizens, will argue that pursuing teenagers is just as harmful as pursuing babies, and that even the attraction to teenagers is just as “sick, unatural, and deviant” as the attraction to babies and that there is no difference as long as they are “minors”, then why not add the hebes and ephebes? The classification of this “disorder” and the rationalizations for why its a disorder but the other variations of it arent are loose at best, hypocritical and arbitrary at worst.

Its so confusing too, normies and psychologist fight tooth and nail that mentally ill people deserve respect, kindness and humane treatment, and that pedophiles are mentally ill from our pedophillia, and that pedophiles deserve to be tortured and murdered. Seriously, ask any “mental health matters” wokie what their opinion on pedophilic disorder is. Even “mental health” professionals and researchers refuse to treat us like any other “ill” person, even the other disorders that make you “hurt others” like Schizophrenia or ASPD, the latter of which has its sole defining condition being the need to cause distress and great pain to the vulnerable and general public, including adults AND CHILDREN, and technically far more dangerous than “pedophilic disorder” could ever be.

If normies dont believe pedophillia is a really a disorder, and researchers don't belive that pedophillia is a really a disorder, and the government doesn't believe that pedophillia is really a disorder, and pedophiles themselves dont believe pedophillia is really a disorder, genuinely, what is keeping it in the dsm/icd? We all seem pretty united, wether we hate or love pedophiles, on this one belief that it isnt a mental illness, wether we believe its a result of the patriarchy and pure evil or a normal sexual deviation like a fetish or a sexual orientation, literally no one believes or treats it like a mental illness. So whats stopping us from siding with the antis this one time to remove it from the dsm? Id argue thats the first compromise we should make with the antis before we try to accomplish anything else, because its the only thing that actively hurts both us and the antis( we cant be a sexual orientation if we are mentally ill and we cant be pure evil monsters if we are mentally ill)

I also find it hilarious when people with disorders like BPD or Schizophrenia have the AUDACITY to claim that they have the most stigmatized disorder, then turn around and advocate for the mass genocide of pedophiles. Last time I checked, no one, from politicians or everyday citizens are arguing for the torture or mass genocide of schizophrenics. No one is creating sting operations to “catch” those with BPD and posting videos of them setting people with BPD on fire on youtube. No one is arguing that anyone who even hears voices deserves to be mutilated and left for dead or imprisioned “just in case” they go on to do something illegal. (Id actually argue that every single “paraphillic” disorder is easily more stigmatized than BPD or depression, because you can at least freely admit you have BPD or depression and attempt to seek support and have legal and social protections in place for BPD and Depression or anxiety)Of course those with who try to claim that they have the “most stigmatized disorder” because they hear voices or are emotional will argue that pedophillic disorder isnt a “real disorder”, but heres the thing, literally everyone agrees with them, including pedophiles and most mental health professionals, but for some reason it hasnt been removed from the dsm/icd, and until then, its still technically a “disorder” and clearly more stigmatized then even literal psychopaths. (No offense to those with ASPD tho). I also get that people with trauma based disorders like BPD or DID might try to blame all their symptoms on pedophiles, but once again, if we too are “mentally ill” then that is “ableist” to those with pedophillic disorder and the same logic can be used against any “harmful” symptoms of BPD or DID(since they too are disorders that can traumatize children). You cant have your cake and eat it too.

In my personal opinion, the only disorders(outside of the paraphillic disorders) that are the most stigmatized are NPD and ASPD, since like us, they are labeled as inhuman and evil, when most of the “inhumanity” seems to come from antis who jump to torture and mass genocide for anything that differs from the norm. Thats not to say that those with NPD or ASPD cant harm others, espcially since they are considered hallmarks of the disorder, but I would feel far safer with a person with ASPD who is just trying to look out for themselves and survive the only way theyve known how than a genocidephillic anti who wants psychos and narcs and pedos to be tortured and murdered, even if we havent broken any laws and are simply existing, “just in case”. All this talk about schizophrenics and the depressed being the “most stigmiatized” yet the only positive thing you will here from someone on the topic of “Psychopaths” and Narcissists and Pedophiles is that we would be better of dead or indefinently imprisioned as a precationary measure and that we are responsible for every bad thing in the world from ingrown toenails to mass famines. Seriously, whens the last time youve heard anything good about those with ASPD or NPD, outisde of “they are pure evil and satan incarnate and soley responisble for every bad thing ever.” You lost your job? Its because a pedophile oogled you once when you where 12 in a grocery store and now you have job trauma.Your bad at driving? Its because an entitled narc cut you off in traffic three years ago and your anger gave them “narc supply”. Your ex broke up with you because you were fucking annoying? She was probably a narc. Guy at the store didnt help you pick up a can a groceries you dropped on the floor? Probably a psychopath who wants to torture you personally because he secretly knows you have severe back pain. The goverment is doing something you dont agree with? Theyre probably all pedophiles and are raising the gas prices so they can oogle your kids when they have to walk to school. Some guy who you dont like got elected and you disgaree with his policies? Hes probably a narcissist pedophile with ASPD who feeds on orphan children in his witch hut.“BPD is the most stigmatized disorder” my fucking ass.

It would also be pretty funny if pedophillic disorder where to somehow be recognized and treated like a “real disorder”. Ive noticed a trend of “fakeclaimers” for other disorders, like BPD, autism, depression, schizophrenia, and I wonder how “fakeclaiming” would work for pedophillic disorder.

“Abelists are pretending to have pedophillic disorder for attention, they claim to be attracted to 6-10 year olds instead of 2-5 year olds like us REAL pedos, they are adding to the stigmatize with their faking and attention whore behavior.” :lol:

But if we really are “mentally ill” we should get disabillity checks from the government for our pedophillia. We should be allowed to skip lines at disney. We shoupd be allowed to call in from work for “feeling too pedophillic”. We should get legal protections from pedophillic discrimination for “ableism” and any insult to pedos should get call from HR. I mean, if they want us to be “mentally ill” so badly and are such fighters for “mental health matters” then thats whats gonna happen lol. Or we can just be reasonable, compromise and remove it as a mental illness. Antis who fight desprately to keep pedophillia as a mental disorder but also advocate for wokeness with mental disorders and also advocate for the ill treatment of pedophiles are starting to drive themselves insane with their own hypocrisy and I am fully here for it once it all falls down on them.
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I feel you already know the answer to these questions. But it is still good to hear your thoughts on the matter.
I will say it is surely for the same reasons that homosexuality was considered a mental illness and I'm sure it was treated much the same way then.
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RoosterDance wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:39 am I will say it is surely for the same reasons that homosexuality was considered a mental illness and I'm sure it was treated much the same way then.
You are hitting the nail right on its head.
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G@yWad43 wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:29 pm If normies dont believe pedophillia is a really a disorder, and researchers don't belive that pedophillia is a really a disorder, and the government doesn't believe that pedophillia is really a disorder, and pedophiles themselves dont believe pedophillia is really a disorder, genuinely, what is keeping it in the dsm/icd?
Normis want to believe that it is a disorder in order to try to convince themselves that it is not normal. The main thing for politicians is to earn political points on the so-called "child protection". That is why normies and politicians find common ground with each other because they are equally hypocritical in their beliefs. Scientists understand in the deep that chronophilia is not a disorder, but the same orientation as homosexuality, but they cannot admit it because of the subsequent insane reaction of normies and politicians, to which could lead to the destruction of their scientific careers, and a possible threat to life from "normal" psychopaths.
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I skimmed through most of this (I don't have a lot of time, I've wasted the day. Not just because it's long, I'd be one to talk) but I think pedophilia is a disorder for the same reason homosexuality was, ultimately for the same reason that all mental disorders are disorders (because they are considered bad in some respect, because we sympathize with presumably quantitatively higher than normal stress that people struggle with or stress caused by certain mental states and labeling them as health problems justifies that concern, or in judgment of them, e.g. with narcissistic personality disorder).

Leaving aside why I don't think that mental illness is a scientifically valid concept (like everything else in psychology, it can't be inter-subjectively tested) or logically coherent ('health' can't coherently refer to two fundamentally unrelated things; inter-subjectively observable biological dysfunction that, on principle/by nature, leads to systems malfunction or death and subjective mental states or a disposition toward certain mental states that we consider to be bad for whatever reasons. Even if the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness hadn't been debunked, a mental state being a symptom of an objectively diagnosable brain or physiological disorder would be just that- a symptom of a disease, not a disease in itself) what it comes down to is this= even if pedophilia is, objectively, a mental disorder the question remains: why is it bad. If it's not causing someone pain (it can indirectly do so because people mistreat pedophiles, because pedophiles might feel shame about their attraction, because pedophiles have fewer real-life sexual opportunities than teleiophiles, etc. but that has nothing to do with pedophilia per se), depriving them of happiness (physical health problems do this ultimately in leading to death and they can also affect the brain chemistry that plays a causal role in subjective feelings of well-being) or making them the kind of people who don't value the happiness of others then I don't see the problem with it. So even if it really is medical disorder and that's an objective fact about reality, I don't necessarily have a problem with mental or physical illnesses (cancer in humans and other sentient animals is bad insofar as it causes suffering or deprives us of happiness, I don't care whether or not plants get cancer because they presumably can't suffer or enjoy their lives). To be sexually attracted to someone is to find the prospect of physical intimacy with them pleasurable, while it's not lost on me that sexual frustration is painful high stress generally lowers felt attraction. Even just being able to feel attracted to people implies emotional 'stability' or not being completely traumatized or in unbearable pain at any given moment.

Another thing I've taken issue with is the claim that pedophiles as pedophiles have intrusive, repetitive or compulsive urges but that could apply to teleiophiles as well, that's not inherent to an attraction to children as opposed to adults.

I wanted to focus more so on why mental illnesses would be a problem/bad but if the concept of mental illness weren't on principle incoherent (if mental states are brain states then the idea of mental illness isn't incoherent even if, in practice, it has nothing to do with biological dysfunction) it would seem to me that the most sensible basis for classifying mental illness would be stress since stress can have a negative impact on our immune system/health (although stress causing poor physical health wouldn't mean that stressed out minds are ill or dysfunctional, in the same way that a knife causing injury doesn't make the knife a medical disorder).
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