Views on the morality of child sex work (e.g. prostitution, pornography)

[TheOtherKindofPride]

Walton

If it's just for fun and like to earn money then why not but how would it be safe for them? Who would make sure the client doesn't hurt them? What about child labor laws?
If its legalized it could be real bad to some kids who have money hungry, psycho parents so just decriminalization would be better but even then many would take advantage of their kids

This problem isn't exclusive to child prostitution or even the child labor in general, but to child care more broadly. How can we make sure a parent isn't hitting their kids in private? Or psychologically abusing them? Or using them to make money via pageantry? Or having them play roles in movies that end up causing mental harm down the road? We've apparently failed at solving these problems, so it only follows logically that the same problems would occur in workplace environments, even, if not especially, in sexual workplace environments. Though safety regulation agencies like OSHA are a decent solution, something that could and should exist for sex work for anyone of any age, but especially as it pertains to children.
One safety implementation that could be put in place during a child's sex work is having a person with the child, as they deal with a client, who's job it is to make sure the child's well being is taken care of, sort of like a manager. This person would be legitimate and vetted to both make sure they wont interrupt the client needlessly but will step in and correct actual problems if they arise, and to make sure the child's general needs, like food, hydration and transportation, are met. This should also be something implemented or adult sex workers as well.
Another solution could be mandatory recording of the event to make sure that if anything happens, there's video evidence of any wrongdoings so the person is heavily incentivized not to do anything that is not allowed, within the context of child prostitution being legal of course.

Ruby

I would love to see it actually being legalise because I had enough of us getting into trouble with the law even if the kid say yes or consent to it that way if the kid doesn’t consent then it’s a problem and should be dealt with criminally.

We already have laws against rape, so these laws should cover children rape as well under a system that allowed children to consent to sex with adults. It is quite annoying when people say that if we didn't have the age of consent then there would be nothing stopping people from raping children. But that's like saying that rape laws are not enough to stop adults from raping other adults. Do we need an "age of consent" between two adults now, or what is their reasoning? I don't think they operate on reasoning.
but we all know it's because they think that all sex with children is rape no matter what, even if the child wakes you up by voluntarily sucking your dick, somehow the adult is still the predator in that scenario, before they were even awake...

LittlePrincessLover

A little two cents for the morning off the riff. People definitely enjoy sex much more than they do not. So it follows that children would and do enjoy it also. From my understanding, the majority of CP stars enjoy/enjoyed it and didn’t feel forced. And many of the girls who seem more ‘dominated’ in videos were/are often little girls who are subs, so enjoyed the scenarios. I’m not saying it’s always the case, but I’ll buy it’s more common than not.

It's dangerously inconvenient to acknowledge that children can enjoy sex. But luckily for anti's, they can just pretend like thats not true and call you a demon for even suggesting it. voluntary ignorance and moral outrage is right out of the 1984 playbook.

Also, lots of MAPs aren’t lucky enough to have common, or indeed any, contact with their preferred AoAs! And many are too shy to ever try to initiate that, so prostitution could be a potential outlet for those MAPs to have contact with their desired AoAs willingly.

and many men go for prostitution because it cuts out a lot of the extra BS that comes with trying to court a woman and gets directly to what he wants. The same could go for child prostitution. That and the ability to potentially curate the kind of child he wants to interact with. They could find a child on a website that fits their preferences very closely, like how dating apps work.

Very true. In that hypothetical if there were no age of consent laws at all and child prostitution was entirely legal everywhere it would be a huge industry. Some people don’t realise how big the demand for it would be if that was the case. I don’t think I’d be completely broke but on the opening day and night of legalization my wallet might be looking a bit thin in the morning... :p

It's a massive industry even with it being insanely illegal. If that doesn't tell you how incredibly in-demand child porn and child prostitution already is, much less how incredibly commonplace it would be if it were properly legalized, idk what would. Disney would get into the child porn industry 100%. they'd be financially stupid not to.
And yeah, if it were a world where it was legal and most people accepted it, I'd be making some interesting financial decisions for sure XP

I agree and argue that most little girls in fact fully understand consent on a physical level at very young ages (whether they recognise the term or not)

100% agreed. They understand what they do and don't want pretty much automatically and will be very obvious if they do or don't want it. It takes years to condition that behavior out of them, so the young the kid is, the more likely they are to voice their disinterest in anything, including sex. As they get older and more mature, rational thought hampers their ability to say "no" on instinct and they instead start capitulating on more higher-order thinking levels, then we have to be more careful in dealing with that to make sure they're saying "yes" because they really want to rather than just because they've been conditioned to say "yes" to certain things despite not wanting it. This is true for anything adults push on kids, not just sex.

I agree it should all be fully legal. If she wants to do these things it is her choice. One big step I think needs taking is to decriminalise all sexual acts that are not full sexual intercourse. So kissing, touching, playing, sucking and oral, etc would be all OK under the law as some of the early steps. This would of course cover the legality around both child sex work and AMSC/AMSR more generally. This way if they want a metric then society can gauge just how popular such changes are to consider more of them. I bet they would be huge and bigger than many naive people might ever expect and the push for full sex to be legal next would be very loud from both MAPs and AAMs.

Yeah, I'd say that starting slow with decriminalizing the less intense forms of sexual interaction with children would help ease people into the idea, probably helping them realize its not as bad as the nightmare scenario they had in their head was, and likely would "unlock" feeling in men (primarily) that they didn't know they had, or forgot they had, or buried so deep that they didn't have to confront it until things started getting more acceptable. But i think its more that the initial waves of those who used to suffer in silence finally feeling more confident to admit what they are to the world, society having to realize that their are far more pedophiles in the world than they ever realized, and how many of these men are people they know and trust. That could be a turning point for society, but would never be allowed to happen because of it.

[Concerned Coffee Mug]

Child prostitution is never acceptable; you all sound crazy. The risk for abuse and exploitation is presumably very high, and the likelihood that bad actors will exploit minors is virtually guaranteed.

Taking such a huge risk unnecessarily for such little gain is selfish. If you lot want to convince the public that your intentions are good, you need to take a moment, critically reflect on what the hell you're proposing, and ask yourself how reasonable it really sounds. Sex work is already rife with exploitation for adults; introducing kids into that is asking for trouble.

No, kids do not need to be doing sex work.

[PorcelainLark]

Child prostitution is never acceptable; you all sound crazy. The risk for abuse and exploitation is presumably very high, and the likelihood that bad actors will exploit minors is virtually guaranteed.

Do you feel it's worse than other forms of child labor?

Taking such a huge risk unnecessarily for such little gain is selfish. If you lot want to convince the public that your intentions are good, you need to take a moment, critically reflect on what the hell you're proposing, and ask yourself how reasonable it really sounds. Sex work is already rife with exploitation for adults; introducing kids into that is asking for trouble.

This is kind of the point I was trying to draw attention to. In order to be consistent, lifting restrictions on PIM may require biting the bullet on these things. I feel like if MAPs aren't honest about this, there can't be progress in either the pro or anti contact direction. From an anti contact direction, you need to work out what you think is fair treatment for MAP who have had sex with with child prostitutes, are you going to say they deserve life imprisonment, death, or what? From a pro contact direction, how are you going to persuade the public this is acceptable?

Personally, I don't think sex work is necessarily a bad thing, but I don't see the public changing their opinion either.

I feel it's an issue that's kind of being ignored.

[TheOtherKindofPride]

Child prostitution is never acceptable; you all sound crazy. The risk for abuse and exploitation is presumably very high, and the likelihood that bad actors will exploit minors is virtually guaranteed.

This is the kind of mindset that anti-MAPs have towards MAPs in general. Completely shutting down the idea that children could engage in prostitution, full stop, is effectively the same thing as saying that children cannot engage in sexual interactions with adults, full stop. If children getting a reward for sexual behaviors is a step too far, then any sexual interaction with children is a step too far because it's often seen as inherently exploitative and abusive, or at least could very easily lead to some sort of exploitation or abusive action. If the concern is that children could or will almost certainly be exploited, manipulated and abused, you really have to be anti-MAP generally, because even a non-contact MAP could end up acting on their desires regardless of the front they put up. There's always a risk and no guarantees of safety.

Sex work is already rife with exploitation for adults; introducing kids into that is asking for trouble.

In this conversation, we assume an ideal version of sex work, not the current form it takes. Otherwise you might as well assume the worst is what will always happen and work from there, but that mindset makes basically everything unthinkable. If you assumed that every time you stepped out of your house you'd get run over by a truck, you'd never leave your house. To function in society, you need to at least hope the worst won't happen to you at every opportunity. But in reality, you cant expect everything to go well all the time. Real life carries real risks, even for children, especially for children. Kids can die in school, they can get kidnapped and tortured while playing with their friends outside. They can die in a car crash on the way to the dentist or a friends house. You can claim it's different because people are not intending to put kids in harms way, but danger and harm do not care about your intentions, only the reality of the situation.

What is safer, children stroking men off while body guards stand by ready to execute him on-the-spot if he makes a wrong move, or a neglectful parent who trusts her child will be safe playing outside while she does chores?
if you are allowed to imagine the worst possible scenario, I am allowed to imagine an ideal one. After all, how can we make anything better without an ideal world in mind? Without ideals, we might as well just accept the world as it is and never try to change it for the better, and that is more depressing than anything else I can imagine...

[Supermario]

Children like getting paid to do chores, why not sex?

Personally I believe most child sex work would too detrimental to the child in order to be moral. I would say no to the existence of child prostitution and pornography, but yes to family/friend/acquaintance child sex relationships which are desired/enjoyable.