I hate that map stuff but it's relatable sometimes

[PorcelainLark]

Ya'll are just a bunch of delusional denial and so incredibly irresponsible idiots just get treated I got a psychiatrist and am talking with him, it's that easy to not promote pedophilia and get treated. Just go see a fucking therapist you all act like children who don't want to get treated and the worst is you encourage other people to accept a behavior that can cause harm and traumas to children. This is not a random sexuality and a nice community this is a place where sickos reunite instead of getting a shower and treating a mental disorder.

How long have you been in therapy for? I'd like to know whether the changes you claim exist are long-term. I'll be honest, though, I think you may have fallen into the trap of the "Just world fallacy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy

It would be more comfortable to believe that MAPs who don't seek therapy deserve their suffering. However, what if it isn't true? What if our attraction can't be changed and all we do by going to therapists is put our self at risk while being subjected to humiliating experiences?

If that turns out to be the case, I won't begrudge you if you end up here again. Just know, you don't have to believe you can get rid of your attraction, to believe sexual contact with minors is wrong.

[TheOtherKindofPride]

Society has given you this deeply disturbing complex of knowing what you like, but feeling like a monster for liking it. It did the same for homosexuals, and they had many "therapies" and "cures" for that too, until we were forced to admit that they didn't work. The best we have ever been able to do is bury it and give people the mental tools needed to hide that part of themselves for as long as they could. But it'll always still be there, its still in you, and you know it, even if you can't admit it. You want to believe it can be cured, you want to convince the world it can be done, so maybe it'll make it real for you. But it can't, it never has been possible. Whether you want to call it a kink, a sexuality, an orientation, an abomination, whatever. It's not something you can actually change, not something you can really "fix". It's a core part of your very being.
One day the hopeful appearance of progress from therapy will slow, you'll feel like you're suddenly stuck, and then you'll slide back with no real way to catch yourself because instead of accepting and learning to mitigate your pedophilia in a way that works, you relied on something not actually meant to deal with it, only to hide it. Society isn't built to cushion your fall from this, so you'll be back here, telling us how it didn't work out. You may even become worse, might even give into something you currently think you shouldn't, that you believe you never will. I hope you rediscover community like us who can help you avoid falling too far down once the people pretending to help you fix something that isn't broken inevitably fail at an impossible task.

Don't die before then, and don't feel as though your current outrage at yourself, that you're directing at us, will mark you for life. Plenty of examples of people who raged against things like this who eventually, inevitably, accepted it as a part of them.
You're welcome back when you're ready.

[Bookshelf]

Ya'll are just a bunch of delusional denial and so incredibly irresponsible idiots just get treated I got a psychiatrist and am talking with him, it's that easy to not promote pedophilia and get treated. Just go see a fucking therapist you all act like children who don't want to get treated and the worst is you encourage other people to accept a behavior that can cause harm and traumas to children. This is not a random sexuality and a nice community this is a place where sickos reunite instead of getting a shower and treating a mental disorder.

There is no treatment for being a MAP that a psychiatrist can offer. This is confirmed by practically every psychological institution worldwide— none claim to have treatment. The best you can get would be help for depression, controlling urges, coping mechanisms etc... but no matter how many sessions you go to, at the end of your life, on your death bed, you'll probably still like those 12 year old girls.

You have asserted that there is "traumas" to children, but have not actually explained why. In this thread here you had multiple people refuting your claims that sex is harmful but failed to respond substantially to any of them. Pro-contact points of view, which are common here, dispute the claim that there is any inherent trauma or harm, so I'd expect something to back those claims up.

[thecurious]

You hate that you like a 12yo, but liking is a sentiment of love. So the problem is not that you like a 12yo, but that you hate love. It not your fault, however, but that of modern society. Society needs a cure, not you.

No. I was just attracted but ykw? I didn't act on it and it passed. How hard right? It's easy to just go see a THERAPIST like I do, and I already feel better just talking about it with a professional. You guys know that it can be extremely hurtful for kids but you're just in denial cause you're too lazy to get therapy and work on it. Stop normalizing it.

[Officerkrupke]

You hate that you like a 12yo, but liking is a sentiment of love. So the problem is not that you like a 12yo, but that you hate love. It not your fault, however, but that of modern society. Society needs a cure, not you.

No. I was just attracted but ykw? I didn't act on it and it passed. How hard right? It's easy to just go see a THERAPIST like I do, and I already feel better just talking about it with a professional. You guys know that it can be extremely hurtful for kids but you're just in denial cause you're too lazy to get therapy and work on it. Stop normalizing it.

Stop demonizing and pathologizing sexual attraction. A lot of us have mental health issues(I go to a therapist already for that), focus on that, not pedophilia. Also it’s not a mental illness.

[Learning to undeny]

I think people over here have too much fear of therapists. Being open to someone in real life can be a good thing, even if it's not without risks. I encourage you to keep with it, and would like to know what therapy does for you.

However, do not put your faith on "conversion therapy". It didn't work in the past and it is unlikely to "cure" paedophilia. In my case, I told my therapist just because I think it's best in the long run, but I don't expect this part of myself to evaporate (in fact, I seldom have fantasies with children, so it cannot be said that I'm "fueling" my desire, but that does not make me any less attracted to them).

I would like to know why y'all are so fearful of coming out to mental health professionals. Is it from personal experience? Is it really that common for people who underwent therapy to go back to MAP circles feeling worse?

[Liyowo]

I think people over here have too much fear of therapists. Being open to someone in real life can be a good thing, even if it's not without risks. I encourage you to keep with it, and would like to know what therapy does for you.

However, do not put your faith on "conversion therapy". It didn't work in the past and it is unlikely to "cure" paedophilia. In my case, I told my therapist just because I think it's best in the long run, but I don't expect this part of myself to evaporate (in fact, I seldom have fantasies with children, so it cannot be said that I'm "fueling" my desire, but that does not make me any less attracted to them).

I would like to know why y'all are so fearful of coming out to mental health professionals. Is it from personal experience? Is it really that common for people who underwent therapy to go back to MAP circles feeling worse?

I recommend you read this thread here, we already had a discussion on the topic so you'll get to see the arguments and insights of various people from this forum, I made a post there too:
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=2497

[Learning to undeny]

I recommend you read this thread here, we already had a discussion on the topic so you'll get to see the arguments and insights of various people from this forum, I made a post there too:
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=2497

Thank you Liyowo. Each health professional is an individual with their own biases and preconceived notions from society, but who can ultimately think for themselves and be compassionate even with people they may not like. I disagree with this idea of them as a monolith that only follow orders from above.

All the definitions of a "mental disorder" that I have seen are a bit laughable. Supposedly a condition is only a disorder if the cause is not merely a conflict between the individual and society, but in my opinion it is impossible to separate one from the other. Their intention is to rule out disorders like homophilia or drapetomania, but there will always be socially undesirable traits characterized as "disorders", regardless of your views on paedophilia specifically.

Honestly, the examples in the post you linked do not make me any less confident of the good intentions of many health professionals. It would also ruin my day if someone I have helped turns out to have killed their children, for example. I do not believe in "monsters", though, and I do not consider sex abuse as worse than murder.

[Liyowo]

Thank you Liyowo. Each health professional is an individual with their own biases and preconceived notions from society, but who can ultimately think for themselves and be compassionate even with people they may not like. I disagree with this idea of them as a monolith that only follow orders from above.

All the definitions of a "mental disorder" that I have seen are a bit laughable. Supposedly a condition is only a disorder if the cause is not merely a conflict between the individual and society, but in my opinion it is impossible to separate one from the other. Their intention is to rule out disorders like homophilia or drapetomania, but there will always be socially undesirable traits characterized as "disorders", regardless of your views on paedophilia specifically.

Honestly, the examples in the post you linked do not make me any less confident of the good intentions of many health professionals. It would also ruin my day if someone I have helped turns out to have killed their children, for example. I do not believe in "monsters", though, and I do not consider sex abuse as worse than murder.

That's what I meant though, mental illnesses are compared to biological diseases and psychiatry presents itself as scientific and medical, using the same language to give itself more legitimacy when it is in fact sociological. You seem to agree with that assessment, as you are mentionning conflict between the individual and society and socially undesirable traits as the defining traits of a mental disorder.

That means mental illnesses don't have an objective existence like the flu or cancer, but rather a subjective existence that depends on the social context. Different social values = different mental illnesses. That's why a homophobic society sees gay people as mentally ill, a pro-slavery society sees slaves that want to escape as mentally ill, a capitalist society sees people that can't work productively as mentally ill, and a pedophobic society sees MAPs as mentally ill. The mental health field is a reflection of the status quo.

Sometimes though, the true solution to a problem is to change the status quo. That was the right thing to do for all the other oppressed minorities before us that had the exact same arguments used against them, that are used against us now.

[Learning to undeny]

That's what I meant though, mental illnesses are compared to biological diseases and psychiatry presents itself as scientific and medical, using the same language to give itself more legitimacy when it is in fact sociological. You seem to agree with that assessment, as you are mentionning conflict between the individual and society and socially undesirable traits as the defining traits of a mental disorder.

That means mental illnesses don't have an objective existence like the flu or cancer, but rather a subjective existence that depends on the social context. Different social values = different mental illnesses. That's why a homophobic society sees gay people as mentally ill, a pro-slavery society sees slaves that want to escape as mentally ill, a capitalist society sees people that can't work productively as mentally ill, and a pedophobic society sees MAPs as mentally ill. The mental health field is a reflection of the status quo.

Sometimes though, the true solution to a problem is to change the status quo. That was the right thing to do for all the other oppressed minorities before us that had the exact same arguments used against them, that are used against us now.

Ok, I basically agree with that.