Jealous

[mrlolicon93]

Does anyone here ever find themselves sometimes feeling a little jealous of the offending maps out there who act on or who have acted on it and make cp and even get away with it?

I won't lie sometimes i do find myself feeling jealous of those people even though they are probably awful and a lot of them do give us a bad name but it does make me feel insecure and jealous sometimes like it isn't fair you know what i mean?

[BLueRibbon]

What makes you think they are "probably awful"?

[mrlolicon93]

What makes you think they are "probably awful"?

Because not every person who does or has acted on it is doing it out of consensual love.

[BLueRibbon]

True. But surely those doing it not out of love are in the minority?

[mrlolicon93]

True. But surely those doing it not out of love are in the minority?

Yes you are correct.

[John_Doe]

It's possible I'm reading too much into your use of the term 'jealousy' but envy is not really a part of my personality (if I'm not mistaken, 'envy' is when one is pained by the good fortune of another, or at least their being better-off than one's self, and 'jealousy' is when one fears losing something valuable to a rival, e.g. a romantic partner leaving you for a more attractive person, or something like that. The focus of jealousy is the value of something one fears losing, with envy it's the comparative 'superiority' or advantage of someone else). I definitely feel insecure in comparison to others, I am more obviously unattractive compared to other men (men with no stretch marks, no acne scars; I've just now discovered a new body pimple so that's another lifelong scar among dozens, who aren't balding, whose lips aren't chronically dry lips, hose eyes aren't red, who have no belly or butt fat, etc. on top of just generally being more attractive), but envy is not something that I've ever been able to understand or relate to. If the most handsome, charismatic, wealthy, brilliant, captain of the football team-assed mf was nice to me and I felt I could trust him I would naturally be his biggest cheerleader, or at least that's how I was wired to feel at one point (my trust for people is at an all time low in a way that has nothing to do with resentment or anger, it's just a 'point of fact' that you can expect human beings to behave in a certain way sooner or later in the same way that you have a general idea about how cats and dogs with unique personalities whom you've never met will behave, and I don't interact with them much so I don't know how strong my old people pleasing tendencies would be, but I'm not really talking about 'people pleasing'). My intuition has always been that if someone is innocent and kind, I'm glad if they are happier than I am (I don't want them to be happier but I'm glad that they are as happy as they are. It's no victory for me if they lose the advantage that they have that I lack, I want to pull myself up to their level, I don't want them down on mine).

Envy is on par with sadism, in my mind (being pained by the happiness of others is morally equivalent to taking pleasure in their suffering, 'envy' seems to imply a celebration of the rival's downfall even if it doesn't help you in anyway whatsoever; beyond relieving the feeling of envy which is itself a result of not valuing someone's happiness, I mean). I truly believe it is immoral. I'm not trying to present myself as a saint either, it's just that envy has never been one of my issues. Even with various double standards that I hate, it's the arbitrariness of those inconsistencies and that people don't realize (at least not in any emotionally meaningful way) that x standard that they accept under some conditions contradicts their position or behavior under others/in other scenarios; that they think the same core principle can be valid sometimes but not others and not because relevant circumstantial conditions are present or absent in different scenarios where x isn't considered ultimately good or bad or this or that but because they ignore the actual nature of x circumstantially (and unlike making one person wealthier than another, more consideration for person a necessarily means less consideration for person b), that frustrates me. Not the fact that those double standards only harm some and not everyone whom whatever principle would disadvantage if it was consistently applied.

I've been wondering lately whether or not people feel envy over others simply not suffering in scenarios where they're not happier as a result and if it (as a moral failing) can be reduced to not wanting the good for another person. For probably obvious reasons, I think a lot of leftism runs on envy (e.g. eat the rich) and it contradicts my position because I think there's value in maximizing the happiness of already happy people (in practice, minimizing suffering should generally take precedence because of diminishing marginal utility and even the fact that we feel pain more easily than happiness. Obviously giving a million dollars to someone who's already a millionaire is insanely callous because half that much will make so much more of a difference for a low income person but, on principle, I don't think that alleviating the suffering of the less fortunate is fundamentally more or less important than maximizing the happiness of more privileged people, and I definitely don't think that alleviating the suffering of people whom leftists or people in general find more pitiable or see as the underdog is more important than reducing harm to those they presume to be/or see as 'privileged,' possibly based on non-hedonistic criteria).

Sorry to go off-topic/'big picture' but, speaking intuitively, if other people are having hot pleasurable sex or romantic affairs that I will never know I am either genuinely happy for them or indifferent. I am not really that vengeful either but I am capable of it in the heat of moment or if it's tied to desperation related to wanting to improve harmful material circumstances that another person is imposing (e.g. if I have to actually deal with someone or something they do on a regular basis and I can't just avoid them, especially if they're doing something that affects my health, property, sensory experience, etc.). Besides my cousin, there aren't many people I feel deep contempt and loathing for, there are people who are just as evil but I don't have to deal with them.

[mrlolicon93]

It's possible I'm reading too much into your use of the term 'jealousy' but envy is not really a part of my personality (if I'm not mistaken, 'envy' is when one is pained by the good fortune of another, or at least their being better-off than one's self, and 'jealousy' is when one fears losing something valuable to a rival, e.g. a romantic partner leaving you for a more attractive person, or something like that. The focus of jealousy is the value of something one fears losing, with envy it's the comparative 'superiority' or advantage of someone else). I definitely feel insecure in comparison to others, I am more obviously unattractive compared to other men (men with no stretch marks, no acne scars; I've just now discovered a new body pimple so that's another lifelong scar among dozens, who aren't balding, whose lips aren't chronically dry lips, hose eyes aren't red, who have no belly or butt fat, etc. on top of just generally being more attractive), but envy is not something that I've ever been able to understand or relate to. If the most handsome, charismatic, wealthy, brilliant, captain of the football team-assed mf was nice to me and I felt I could trust him I would naturally be his biggest cheerleader, or at least that's how I was wired to feel at one point (my trust for people is at an all time low in a way that has nothing to do with resentment or anger, it's just a 'point of fact' that you can expect human beings to behave in a certain way sooner or later in the same way that you have a general idea about how cats and dogs with unique personalities whom you've never met will behave, and I don't interact with them much so I don't know how strong my old people pleasing tendencies would be, but I'm not really talking about 'people pleasing'). My intuition has always been that if someone is innocent and kind, I'm glad if they are happier than I am (I don't want them to be happier but I'm glad that they are as happy as they are. It's no victory for me if they lose the advantage that they have that I lack, I want to pull myself up to their level, I don't want them down on mine).

Envy is on par with sadism, in my mind (being pained by the happiness of others is morally equivalent to taking pleasure in their suffering, 'envy' seems to imply a celebration of the rival's downfall even if it doesn't help you in anyway whatsoever; beyond relieving the feeling of envy which is itself a result of not valuing someone's happiness, I mean). I truly believe it is immoral. I'm not trying to present myself as a saint either, it's just that envy has never been one of my issues. Even with various double standards that I hate, it's the arbitrariness of those inconsistencies and that people don't realize (at least not in any emotionally meaningful way) that x standard that they accept under some conditions contradicts their position or behavior under others/in other scenarios; that they think the same core principle can be valid sometimes but not others and not because relevant circumstantial conditions are present or absent in different scenarios where x isn't considered ultimately good or bad or this or that but because they ignore the actual nature of x circumstantially (and unlike making one person wealthier than another, more consideration for person a necessarily means less consideration for person b), that frustrates me. Not the fact that those double standards only harm some and not everyone whom whatever principle would disadvantage if it was consistently applied.

I've been wondering lately whether or not people feel envy over others simply not suffering in scenarios where they're not happier as a result and if it (as a moral failing) can be reduced to not wanting the good for another person. For probably obvious reasons, I think a lot of leftism runs on envy (e.g. eat the rich) and it contradicts my position because I think there's value in maximizing the happiness of already happy people (in practice, minimizing suffering should generally take precedence because of diminishing marginal utility and even the fact that we feel pain more easily than happiness. Obviously giving a million dollars to someone who's already a millionaire is insanely callous because half that much will make so much more of a difference for a low income person but, on principle, I don't think that alleviating the suffering of the less fortunate is fundamentally more or less important than maximizing the happiness of more privileged people, and I definitely don't think that alleviating the suffering of people whom leftists or people in general find more pitiable or see as the underdog is more important than reducing harm to those they presume to be/or see as 'privileged,' possibly based on non-hedonistic criteria).

Sorry to go off-topic/'big picture' but, speaking intuitively, if other people are having hot pleasurable sex or romantic affairs that I will never know I am either genuinely happy for them or indifferent. I am not really that vengeful either but I am capable of it in the heat of moment or if it's tied to desperation related to wanting to improve harmful material circumstances that another person is imposing (e.g. if I have to actually deal with someone or something they do on a regular basis and I can't just avoid them, especially if they're doing something that affects my health, property, sensory experience, etc.). Besides my cousin, there aren't many people I feel deep contempt and loathing for, there are people who are just as evil but I don't have to deal with them.

Interesting post.

[Curson]

Does anyone here ever find themselves sometimes feeling a little jealous of the offending maps out there who act on or who have acted on it and make cp and even get away with it?

I won't lie sometimes i do find myself feeling jealous of those people even though they are probably awful and a lot of them do give us a bad name but it does make me feel insecure and jealous sometimes like it isn't fair you know what i mean?

This is probably how "normal" people reflect their jealousy or envy upon people who even question age gaps or why it's wrong to like someone who is 18 or under.

[mrlolicon93]

Does anyone here ever find themselves sometimes feeling a little jealous of the offending maps out there who act on or who have acted on it and make cp and even get away with it?

I won't lie sometimes i do find myself feeling jealous of those people even though they are probably awful and a lot of them do give us a bad name but it does make me feel insecure and jealous sometimes like it isn't fair you know what i mean?

This is probably how "normal" people reflect their jealousy or envy upon people who even question age gaps or why it's wrong to like someone who is 18 or under.

Good point.