Thoughts on Zoophilia?

[DANAT4T]

I also pointed out that sex also can cause disease. The exchange of body fluids while not necessarily harmful is also something too intimate. Also children are more immature than adults by far. Why do you keep trying to convince me that children and adults have the same maturity level. They cleerly don't.

But an adult who jumps has more awareness of the consequences of jumping than a child does, who does it more based on instinct.

Consent does depend on the person, but age is a greater predictor of someone's maturity level. Again I will stress that a 1 year old is clearly less mature than an adult is. We have the AOC as 18 because that seems to be the agreed upon age at which the person is mature enough to have sex.

I don't think eating McDonalds is worse than having sex in my opinion, but even if it were, it is still better for an addicted adult to eat it than an addicted child.

So then it’s a matter of understanding diseases—so in practice masturbation is fine? So basically, if one is in a position not to transmit diseases, it’s fine, while for those who are ill it’s enough to wait until dealing with an age at which sexually transmitted diseases are understood. Right?

And I’ll repeat again: maturity has nothing to do with consent, and being immature is not a deficit. Besides the fact that maturity varies from person to person. You’re the one who proposed an example as if it were indicative of something, when it can be applied to every age group.

Regarding the “gap”: a doctor will have more awareness about sex than an average person, so does that mean a doctor cannot have sex with a non-doctor? As a logical consequence of your argument.

Drinking a glass of alcohol is certainly worse than sex, since it damages brain cells. Then we can talk about sugar addiction, and I think addictions are worse than sex. Actually, seriously, everything is worse than sex. Sex is a component that should be present in a person’s life for their psychophysical health. Its absence causes harm. I’ve never seen anyone consider a sexual encounter on the same level as a stabbing between friends.

That said, I’ll add that the AOC is 18 where you live. Not where I live, and not in many parts of the world—there are countries that use what they consider more rational criteria, such as making sure individuals are in puberty. If it were based on brain development, the AOC would be thirty or even older. Out of all ages, 18 is the one with the least rational justification.

How much did your abuser pay you off?

[oolhlh2]

So then it’s a matter of understanding diseases—so in practice masturbation is fine? So basically, if one is in a position not to transmit diseases, it’s fine, while for those who are ill it’s enough to wait until dealing with an age at which sexually transmitted diseases are understood. Right?

And I’ll repeat again: maturity has nothing to do with consent, and being immature is not a deficit. Besides the fact that maturity varies from person to person. You’re the one who proposed an example as if it were indicative of something, when it can be applied to every age group.

Regarding the “gap”: a doctor will have more awareness about sex than an average person, so does that mean a doctor cannot have sex with a non-doctor? As a logical consequence of your argument.

Drinking a glass of alcohol is certainly worse than sex, since it damages brain cells. Then we can talk about sugar addiction, and I think addictions are worse than sex. Actually, seriously, everything is worse than sex. Sex is a component that should be present in a person’s life for their psychophysical health. Its absence causes harm. I’ve never seen anyone consider a sexual encounter on the same level as a stabbing between friends.

That said, I’ll add that the AOC is 18 where you live. Not where I live, and not in many parts of the world—there are countries that use what they consider more rational criteria, such as making sure individuals are in puberty. If it were based on brain development, the AOC would be thirty or even older. Out of all ages, 18 is the one with the least rational justification.

I don't know dude. I would feel uncomfortable if an adult had sex with a child. It feels like they are taking advantage of them. It feels wrong. A 13 year old having sex with an adult isn't a major deal but a toddler feels just wrong.

[Not Forever]

I don't know dude. I would feel uncomfortable if an adult had sex with a child. It feels like they are taking advantage of them. It feels wrong. A 13 year old having sex with an adult isn't a major deal but a toddler feels just wrong.

By itself, I would also feel uncomfortable, but I believe that feelings like these should be set aside when trying to discuss something, otherwise all we do is promote what we like at the expense of what we don’t. Let’s keep in mind that the things that often make us feel uncomfortable are frequently due to cultural reasons; discomfort should indicate nothing more than the fact that we are not accustomed to something.

I believe that, therefore, it is inherently positive to defend something that makes us personally uncomfortable, as long as we cannot find any rational reasons not to defend it.

[Learning to undeny]

I don't know dude. I would feel uncomfortable if an adult had sex with a child. It feels like they are taking advantage of them. It feels wrong. A 13 year old having sex with an adult isn't a major deal but a toddler feels just wrong.

I understand what you are saying and it's something that I still feel disgusted about, despite having learned about the existence of positive sexual relationships between people of all ages (there are recollections of such relationships of you are interested). My imagination might still differ from the reality of those cases. But I like not to rely on my disgust alone when it comes to accepting the arguments used to discriminate an entire group of people (and restrict the youth's liberties).

By no means do you have to agree with AMSC being justifiable below puberty. I, am not sure, for that matter, that it should be legal, but I am aware that there is no evidence of harm when the partners are willing and the activity is not physically dangerous. You don't have to go through all the arguments in order to hold your opinion. You don't have to change your mind (or anyone else's). But we all already know that "it feels wrong", regardless of whether or not those feelings are culturally conditioned, rooted in our nature, rational, etc.

If you might have a point, it's the "taking advantage" viewpoint, which for me boils down to (1) the difference in what sex means to each partner (we could argue if this is actually relevant, but it is true to an extent that sex before puberty is different); (2) the power imbalance, which has been discussed at length but there can always be new insights. Is it something among these lines that you feel worried about?

(I just saw Not Forever's reply when I was finnished.)