On the death penalty

[Learning to undeny]

I used to feel similarly, but recently I've become more staunchly anti-death penalty. I'd like to recommend a leftist youtuber's video if you'll consider it, Jacob Geller's Fantasies of Nuremberg for my general perspective. It's not until near the end that he shares his emotional experience and thoughts about the delivery of the death penalty, but I found it profound myself.

Very interesting video. I recalled the trials against the leaders of the Juntas; I recommend the film Argentina, 1985 about them. Even though the main prosecutor had collaborated with the regime, they were handled better in my opinion than the Nuremberg trials. The trial did not come from an external power, and prison for life was the maximum sentence. Perhaps more important were the mountains of evidence and victim testimonials. I suppose death penalties would have added no benefit.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

I see no situation when the death penalty should apply. Mistakes are made all the time in the justice system and even if a mistake isn't made, an executed person is having their punishment cut short by an act of legal murder.

[Creature Bipedal]

CP-makers sentenced: https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/u ... .500450627

[ReArm!]

We never know what's been done to a 'criminal'. Might their experience mitigate or even justify their actions? Maybe.

I don't believe free will exists at all, thus experience, and everything in our life, since before conception, justifies our actions. Dangerous criminals should be dealt with only with respect to the danger they can cause in the future. Any kind of state-sanctioned punishment, especially one intended to make the criminal suffer, is a medieval concept we should grow out of.

This is the most true statement I've read in a while, the goal of punishment is deterrance, not poetical justice. Beccaria already talked about this.

[Scorchingwilde]

We never know what's been done to a 'criminal'. Might their experience mitigate or even justify their actions? Maybe.

I don't believe free will exists at all, thus experience, and everything in our life, since before conception, justifies our actions. Dangerous criminals should be dealt with only with respect to the danger they can cause in the future. Any kind of state-sanctioned punishment, especially one intended to make the criminal suffer, is a medieval concept we should grow out of.

This is the most true statement I've read in a while, the goal of punishment is deterrance, not poetical justice. Beccaria already talked about this.

I go back and forth about intention and causality for people, but I do know many aspects of who we are happen to be intrinsic and uncontrollable, as are our experiences of society, so I feel likewise against the death penalty. I think the death penalty being applied to certain kinds of behavior constitutes a form of horrific eugenics against either those marginalized enough to be alienated from others, people who are neurodivergent with different values from the norm, those who have severe disorders impairing their view of reality, and anyone else who violates the norm in some deeply taboo way. Even the most horrific acts of terror have their basis in uncontrollable factors or severe oppression, such as the violent retaliation against the west after years of meddling in the middle east, or October 7th in response to settler colonialism and apartheid.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

Personally I don't support the death penalty, there are just too many examples of innocent people being falsely executed.
If a person is in prison and it's discovered later that they are innocent then they can appeal and leave but that isn't an option for someone executed.
And even if someone confesses and it's a slam dunk, 100% airtight case, they should be punished and made to live with the consequences of their actions, not just executed so they don't have to.

I don't see any valid argument for it. If you're Christian then ask yourself, would Jesus execute sinners? No, he spoke against such things.
If you're not Christian then is it acceptable to have a system that will kill some innocent people while allowing guilty people to not face their crimes for a long time?

I just don't support the death penalty. I might if it was the victim or the family who made the choice in truly 100% airtight cases. When it's the state choosing then it's more about saving money in my opinion and has nothing to do with actual justice.

[DANAT4T]

TERFs should receive the electric chair. It should be in public also. It would be so exciting seeing them fry like bacon.