All The Fallen is shutting down

[PATHFINDER]

All The Fallen was a website [containing 2d erotica that is illegal in some countries we cover - mod] with a Grey Zone section dedicated to MAPs, and a Seriously Grey section dedicated to debates between yesmaps and nomaps.

The site is shutting down for multiple factors: burn out, cost, and the straw that broke the camel's back: an ex-admin that is using an old dump of the database as hostage, demanding ownership of the site. Instead of doing that, the owner decides to shut down ATF instead.

The website will be down "in a few months". In the meantime, there are backup efforts underway on the forums, and there is a need to seek alternatives. Of course, communities are not exchangeable, and the sholicon and MAP communities will never be the same again, but we can try to preserve as much as possible and bounce back better than before.

[ReArm!]

Why do I just get notice of map spaces when they're shutting down

[DANAT4T]

We all know fking know who is behind all this. Don't we? The fking fake victims unions. Anyone who forces sex should receive fking capital punishment. I wouldn't necessarily have any problems with laws for drugs or money. The concepts of child grooming and statutory rape are bullst. The CEOs of fake victims inc. should be sent to prison fking camps.

[InuYasha]

We all know fking know who is behind all this. Don't we? The fking fake victims unions. Anyone who forces sex should receive fking capital punishment. I wouldn't necessarily have any problems with laws for drugs or money. The concepts of child grooming and statutory rape are bullst. The CEOs of fake victims inc. should be sent to prison fking camps.

A group of people who identify as Americans is believed to be behind this. Why? The prevailing view in American "society" is that cartoon art, manga, and the like are also a "step toward violence." This is a logical evolution of the "violence escalation theory" that antis have been promoting since the 1980s. They want to deprive people of creative freedom, and pedos of any opportunity for emotional release.

And yes, "statutory rape" laws are bullshit. Adequate laws should only include one concept: consent. Any coercion into sexual intercourse is unacceptable, regardless of the numbers on your passport, but voluntary relationships should be legalized.

[Kierkegaard]

It's a huge loss. Not just for the fictional content hosted there, but for the community of MAPs and the open discussion. There is nothing else on the entire internet which even remotely approaches ATF's grey zone in scale or openness for MAPs to congregate. ATF has hundreds of times the number of active users as the other main pedo discussion forums like this one. It was like the mecca of MAP discussion forums.

I've tried to plug this site on ATF to get some of the refugees to come here and get this place more busy. We desperately need more clearnet MAP presence.

[DANAT4T]

We all know fking know who is behind all this. Don't we? The fking fake victims unions. Anyone who forces sex should receive fking capital punishment. I wouldn't necessarily have any problems with laws for drugs or money. The concepts of child grooming and statutory rape are bullst. The CEOs of fake victims inc. should be sent to prison fking camps.

A group of people who identify as Americans is believed to be behind this. Why? The prevailing view in American "society" is that cartoon art, manga, and the like are also a "step toward violence." This is a logical evolution of the "violence escalation theory" that antis have been promoting since the 1980s. They want to deprive people of creative freedom, and pedos of any opportunity for emotional release.

And yes, "statutory rape" laws are bullshit. Adequate laws should only include one concept: consent. Any coercion into sexual intercourse is unacceptable, regardless of the numbers on your passport, but voluntary relationships should be legalized.

Fair enough, you don't approve of my trolling behavior. I happen to agree with a lot of what you say.

[PATHFINDER]

It's a huge loss. Not just for the fictional content hosted there, but for the community of MAPs and the open discussion. There is nothing else on the entire internet which even remotely approaches ATF's grey zone in scale or openness for MAPs to congregate. ATF has hundreds of times the number of active users as the other main pedo discussion forums like this one. It was like the mecca of MAP discussion forums.

I've tried to plug this site on ATF to get some of the refugees to come here and get this place more busy. We desperately need more clearnet MAP presence.

Indeed. I've written a post in the GZ to ask if there's any alternatives to it, but I highly doubt that there is. Even this forum is not GZ-like; for example, you can't have NSFW PFPs (understandably).

https://www.joanwestenberg.com/communit ... -fungible/

Communities are not fungible. ATF's GZ will likely be gone for good (except for the archives) after the shutdown. What we can do is to try and recreate a similar feeling for it, and let it evolve into its own thing.

[Rakuraku]

It's a huge loss. Not just for the fictional content hosted there, but for the community of MAPs and the open discussion. There is nothing else on the entire internet which even remotely approaches ATF's grey zone in scale or openness for MAPs to congregate. ATF has hundreds of times the number of active users as the other main pedo discussion forums like this one. It was like the mecca of MAP discussion forums.

I've tried to plug this site on ATF to get some of the refugees to come here and get this place more busy. We desperately need more clearnet MAP presence.

Oh so that was you. Well you got one person at least. Though the community here is a tad different from grey zone. I miss grey zone

[FairBlueLove]

I was on ATF for a short while and never made it into the "Seriously Gray Zone" forum. For any of you who were there, do you think the topics discussed there could be discussed here on Mu? I used to enjoy the Gray Zone section.

I'm sad for its closure too, if nothing else because it was basically my entry point into MAP spaces at the time.

[bnkywuv]

Guess it's time for MAPs to make their own.