What is everyone's stance on Epstein?

[oolhlh2]

Honestly, I don't know much about what he did other than that he was a child sex trafficker.

I do think that Epstein deserved prison time and that anyone who engaged with his illegal business should also be punished, but I guess it annoys me just how damning sexual contact is in general. A lot of people are calling for the perpretrators' deaths and are jerking each other off over it.

[PorcelainLark]

I think Epstein and his circle were a time capsule from when hepephilia and ephebophilia were more accepted. Back when it was relatively normal for rock stars to have partners under 18 (for example, Elvis). Even though laws changed, people still coveted teen girls as sexual partners; they hadn't come to terms with just how much society had changed. It's a sign that the ultra wealthy aren't as clever as they're made out to be. They live in a bubble insulated from broader society and culture, and then something like this happens which shows how out of touch they are.

[zarkle]

Over all I concluded the real things we can learn from the Epstein case

1) Reality is a very complex dynamic web of interactions and unintended consequences that does not fit in societies simple oppressed vs oppressor binary. The way normies like to think insisting everyone is a victim. Some teenage girls were victims of false fashion model contracts and felt abused and hopeless on the Island because they assumed going to the Island would make them fashion models with easy money and long term luxury, only to be abused by creepy old men like Epstein and Brunnel. Others were partying sluts who didn't care, others (in fact many) were victims of the massage ponzi scheme where the massage turned sexual without prior knowledge, some didn't mind the bait and switch massages others felt deeply violated and creeped out by a massage turning unexpectedly lewd, it was reported to LE many times only for LE to not investigate. Some teen girls were probably put under enormous social pressure and coercion by Epstein especially considering his wealth and power that he got them interdependent on, your not free to consent if you are interdependent on some powerful man's wealth. The same logic also applies to adult women 18+ being victimized. The current evidence suggest the only people known to abuse teen girls were Esptein, Jean Luc Brunel and Ghislaine Maxwell. Though there probably was a small circle of a few dozen men interacting with the girls on the Island. It was definitely not a wide scale human trafficking operation.

2) Teenage girls and women obsessed with obtaining luxury, fame and fortune life styles are susceptible to this kind of harm. Modern Western culture glorifying a lifestyle of fame and fashion contributed to this. Women and Teen girls who aren't obsessed with chasing the high life are much much safer from this kind of abuse, that might be why we don't see as many victims of color who put family and tradition over the possibility of fame and fortune.

3) Law Enforcement should more seriously investigate claims of abuse involving wealthy people much more serious, Epstein got tons of reports to LE in 2005 and even leading up to his arrest about the massage scam but no one took it serious, it took too long to build up a case and he got two ultra friendly plea deals the second (non prosecution agreement) which was extremely rare.

4) Anyone who believes Epstein is a cannibal, murderer, torturer or human organ harvestor is a fucking idiot, and they only believe this because of 2019 schizo nutjob reports from the FBI resurfacing in 2026 in the Epstein Files, uncredible instantly debunkable reports and mundane refences to pizza being malinterpreted by fools. Ultimately this behavior is the direct result of parental protection instincts set to overdrive. Evolutionary explanations of protecting the young explain this easy.

5) Virginia Giuffre lied her ass off about extreme rape claims even though bad things probably happened to her involving her such as her being mind gamed into having sex with Epstein in the first place. Which shouldn;'t have happened due to Epstein's manipulative abilities.

6) Having sex with teenagers regardless of age gap is 100% moral safe and natural, as long as no one is deceived coerced frauded pressured or manipulated. Epstein's harm was breaking most of those rules.

[DANAT4T]

Both the perpetrators and the victims are as bad as each other. The former using their weath to get away with crime and the latter chasing after their money.
I suppose it is similar to the Catholic Church. I mean the church has been on the way out since the 2nd Vatican Council anyway.
Let's go back to the island. Politicians are only using it to fight their political opponents. Clinton blaming Trump, Trump blaming Clinton. Boring.

[oolhlh2]

Both the perpetrators and the victims are as bad as each other. The former using their weath to get away with crime and the latter chasing after their money.
I suppose it is similar to the Catholic Church. I mean the church has been on the way out since the 2nd Vatican Council anyway.
Let's go back to the island. Politicians are only using it to fight their political opponents. Clinton blaming Trump, Trump blaming Clinton. Boring.

Why blame the victims? From what I understand, they were promisted fame and fortune by associating with Epstein and we coerced. Weren't some of those victims 13 or around that age? At that age, you are probably naive.

[DANAT4T]

Both the perpetrators and the victims are as bad as each other. The former using their weath to get away with crime and the latter chasing after their money.
I suppose it is similar to the Catholic Church. I mean the church has been on the way out since the 2nd Vatican Council anyway.
Let's go back to the island. Politicians are only using it to fight their political opponents. Clinton blaming Trump, Trump blaming Clinton. Boring.

Why blame the victims? From what I understand, they were promisted fame and fortune by associating with Epstein and we coerced. Weren't some of those victims 13 or around that age? At that age, you are probably naive.

The victims did get rewarded. Did you see how much money they made with civil lawsuits.
All very similar to the Catholic Church. I mean what's the worse they done, giving the poor children red wine.

Anyway, working with victims is doomed to fail. MAP attractions will be seen as a result of trauma. Which is not a good idea.