If ACSR is so harmless then why do victims report pedos to the police?

[oolhlh2]

I remember learning about Dr Disrespect's relationship with a minor. The minor reported him. There are other cases like this one where victims report the perpretrators in an attempt to get them convicted.

From what I imagine, this never happened with homosexual relationships. Is there something I am not seeing?

[mushy]

ACSR isn't inherently harmful, but it definitely can be harmful. You cannot use one example to establish a pattern. Also isn't CSA under reported compared to other crimes?

[Jim Burton]

Homosexual relationships are not a valid comparison, since in this case, the entire relationship, including both participants have been criminalized and therefore implicated. The only defense against complicity is rape or assault.

Minors can report at will, even relationships they participated in willingly, if they have some kind of a grievance.

[Not Forever]

Homosexual relationships are not a valid comparison, since in this case, the entire relationship, including both participants have been criminalized and therefore implicated.

From this point of view, would it be more appropriate to compare it to interracial relationships in a historical period when they were illegal? Would there be the same social and family pressure to report it? Would family members and neighbors report it as well? And at the same time, would such a relationship become a tool for blackmail or revenge on the part of the “victim”?

[Scorchingwilde]

Homosexual relationships are not a valid comparison, since in this case, the entire relationship, including both participants have been criminalized and therefore implicated.

From this point of view, would it be more appropriate to compare it to interracial relationships in a historical period when they were illegal? Would there be the same social and family pressure to report it? Would family members and neighbors report it as well? And at the same time, would such a relationship become a tool for blackmail or revenge on the part of the “victim”?

I would say it likely would in many ways. There's the moral fairytale of MAPs being sexually assaulted in prison as a form of vengeance against them, and historically white men have sexually abused and forcibly feminized black and brown men during slavery. Meanwhile, love for nonwhite women was seen as 'beneath' a white man, and the kids born from those relationships were considered a shameful secret. Recent news section articles about the scandal of women becoming pregnant with a minor's child remind me of this. Furthermore, just like with a preference for minors, the socially acceptable partner (white women, adult women) for the man is often envious and jealous of the stereotypical features of nonwhite women or minors, trying either to emulate their appearance or else degrade the women/girls who caught the eye of men they wanted. Curvy features more typical on some black women were of particular note to these older beauty standards, wide hips and large breasts, and black women with those traits would either be mocked for features considered more masculine that they had (in their shoulders or face, as white men's noses tend to be bigger than white women's) or else derided as whores and unfitting for the role of wife and mother (we still this today in the stereotype of the welfare queen to an extent). Nowadays, we see lots of anti-MAP takes from women about how the idealization of shortness, large eyes, thinness, and delicate features is an evil pedophilic anti-feminist conspiracy, and MILFs are becoming a new trend in terms of what women are considered most attractive, conveniently sidestepping the fact that there might be underage teens and boys (and girls who like women too) who want to have sex with them. After all, as upstanding women interested in men themselves, they could never stoop so low, and they completely ignore MAPs of their own gender.

Admittedly, the most vivid picture of the faux victim in a taboo relationship I can think of is from fiction, though the work is considered a classic. In To Kill a Mockingbird, if I recall correctly, the text of the court argument seems to imply that the white woman who accuses a black man of raping her tried to kiss said black man and was rejected by him, was seen by her father kissing this black man, and subsequently beaten by him. As the black man in question had one injured arm and the blow to her face seemed to come from that side, it explained her injuries that were being used as evidence against him in the trial.

[DANAT4T]

Interracial sex does not really interest me.

[Creature Bipedal]

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[Creature Bipedal]

The minor reported him.., this never happened with homosexual relationships

Of course the greatest chance of a collision with the authorities is where the boy is not willing
and the man, by means of threats and violence, forces him into sexual conjugation or to participate in
acts which frighten or disgust him. When this happens some form of punishment is certainly justified.
But where mutual affection is involved and the man is sensitive in the way he proceeds, boys,
especially older boys, tend to maintain their silence and discovery is consequently rather difficult…

Gerbener, in Duisburg, and Niemann, in Hamburg, studied a large number of trial records to see
how such man/boy affairs came to be discovered. Gerbener’s sample was 515, Niemann’s 354 – all
boys and girls under the age of 13. Näbel (quoted by Geisler 1959, 63) studied 787 records, although
the ages of the children are not indicated. The data are summarized in Table 2.

In the 8,035 cases studied by Baurmann (1983, 540), where the boys were between the ages of 0
and 14 and the girls between 0 and 20, the police themselves made the discovery in 7.5% of the cases,
the minor told the police in 12.0%, the parents in 54.6%, a neighbor in 10.4%, the youth protection
authorities in 2.4%, the school in 4.6%, and various other persons in 8.5%. In 106 Dutch cases (boys
and girls between 3 and 11 years of age), the complaint was lodged in one case by the child, 85 cases
by the parents, 6 by neighbors, 5 by some official agency, 4 by other children, and 4 by other members
of the family (Wolters 1982, 74).

Rossman (1976, 158) investigated 17 American cases concerning boys between the ages of 12
and 15. One boy reported the incident to the police, in this case in anger to get even with a man who,
out of real affection for the boy, forced him to return to his parents after running away from home. One
man confessed when parents tried to blackmail him. One boy told his friends of the fun he was having,
whereupon one of these friends informed his parents. One boy was turned in by a jealous older brother,
one by an aunt who found a letter from the man in her nephew’s desk, two by neighbors reporting a boy
being seen in the home of a single man late at night. Ten cases were discovered by the police; of these
ten, six were discovered when looking for runaway boys, two when investigating thefts, one on finding
a pornographic film showing a man and boy, one when stopping a car for speeding.

In the German cases it was mostly a matter of younger children complaining about something
unpleasant which happened to them, while the Rossman cases seem to concern bigger boys involved in
entirely consensual relations. People may try to depict the latter as “victims”, but the boys hardly
thought of themselves that way (Janus 1981, 331).

In West Germany the police found that in only two-thirds of reports they received of sexual
activities involving minors could they come up with someone to prosecute. The number of individuals
sentenced is far less – only about one out of five of those detected. Often the “culprits” are children
themselves, or so young as to put their responsibility for the activities in question. Often in minor
infractions the prosecutor refrains from prosecuting. Moreover, there are acquittals (Kerscher 1978,
151).

Parental detection is often brought about by too much generosity. Many a boy-lover simply
cannot resist showering gifts upon his young friend, loading him down and spoiling him with sporting
goods, a bicycle, clothes, radio, etc. Where the parents know about the friendship the risk is less great,
but when they cannot identify the source of such instant child-wealth they are likely to start asking
questions and become suspicious.
Keeping the sexual contact hidden from parents may lead to having sexual rendezvous in
unsuitable places where third parties might observe them. A 1970 American circular to boy-lovers gave
the following advice: “Always take them one at a time, groups scenes are to be avoided at all costs.
What I mean by that is I look for a boy whose friends do not know me. A lonely boy without many
friends is always best, but even if he has a lot of friends he is not likely to talk about me to them if they
do not know me. Neighborhood scenes are taboo. This is especially true in regard to group scenes.
Remember, when boys discuss things, they are apt to do so loudly and without any regard for who
might be overhearing. Always pick the fatherless. Men are more likely to be suspicious and, if their
suspicions are confirmed, are more likely to take action. Also fatherless boys are more likely to crave
the attentions of adult males. (…) No brothers, especially older ones. This is based on my belief that
there is no way I can prevent a boy from discussing everything with his brother. The mere fact that they
spend so much time together… If you have been spending money on only one brother, it could produce
jealousy. And when sibling rivalry develops (as it inevitably does) the brother may ‘spill the beans’ to
mother to get his brother in trouble, without giving a thought to what he may be doing to me!”

[Rakuraku]

I remember learning about Dr Disrespect's relationship with a minor. The minor reported him. There are other cases like this one where victims report the perpretrators in an attempt to get them convicted.

From what I imagine, this never happened with homosexual relationships. Is there something I am not seeing?

There is huge amounts of societal/parental pressure to report your partner. I was the victim of such a person and while I didn't want to report I was pressured into it by family.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

Well from what I've read, most don't report it, it's a small minority who do.

I was sexually active with an adult when I was 6 for around 2 years, then again when 11. I didn't report it because I enjoyed it, in fact when young I got too clingy to the point that it was him who told me to ease off. On one occasion I walked to his house and he panicked when I turned up on his doorstep.

I can only speak to my own experience when young. When I was in my late 20s, I had several girls make very direct sexual advanced towards me, both underage. Each time I told them it was wrong and inappropriate because I'd never break the law like that, it is never worth the risk. They were very direct and didn't like being told no but I was as tactful as I could be.

These are not unique stories, I've heard similar stories from so many people here and documented in places such as https://consentingjuveniles.com
The question I don't think has ever been whether children are sexual because that's pretty much accepted. Many kids masturbate from toddler age onwards, just look at places like mumsnet where there are always new parents panicking about their kids masturbating. My own kids made me and me wife freak out when they wouldn't stop masturbating in public as toddlers so we sought advice and were told it's normal, so just tell them to go to their room and do such things in private, not in public. Many people lose their virginity underage, many young people chase adults whether celebrities or teachers or guys they just know through friends or family.

But there are some children who are abused just as there are some adults who are raped. I don't think anyone is saying there aren't bad people out there who take advantage of women and children and that is always wrong and criminal. But it's also wrong to say that no young person has sexual feelings or interests and never pursues adults and never derives pleasure from sexual activities.