How many of you?

[PorcelainLark]

Might be better working with people that are already out, like Mythebe and Katie Cruz.

This is great names to try. I am going to reach out to the artist, maybe he would help me with my book.

For voices, there are a few people.
https://www.youtube.com/@all1ng487 who was also on ATF but hasn't been online for a few years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzBX5Qt5QPg Omnizoa who argued against shoe0nhead's videos about MAPs (anti-contact, I think)
https://www.youtube.com/@YuenHsiaoTieng/videos The Savanah Ape, who seems to have gone offline (pro-contact, I think)
https://www.youtube.com/@toddnickerson9991 Todd Nickerson (closely related to Virped and anti contact)
Apparently JohnMolotov, from the MAPrightsforum and ATF is out.
Also there's the infamous Amos Yee.

Then there are non-MAPs that have been sympathetic to MAPs in the past.
The scientist James Cantor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB6zwvBtDK8
MrGirl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERNdjDlqcE Apparently he's working on a large video essay about how society thinks about pedophilia, interviewing a bunch of people, but he's been banned from Youtube. To be clear, I'm pretty sure he isn't a MAP.

Bear in mind, some of these people definitely won't work together. For example Nickerson isn't going to have anything to do with Amos Yee; MrGirl had a hostile interview with James Cantor which probably means Cantor will likely have nothing to do with him. Pick who you try to recruit carefully.

Proton mail.

I will have to find time and resources to sign up for that. I struggle so much financially.

Protonmail is free. Activism can be a real time sink though. Maybe organizing something like Patreon, but that allows funding for MAP activists would give us the "infrastructure" to get more stuff done (if that doesn't already exist).

anonymity at risk.

I guess only brave souls know there is nothing fundamentally illegal about talking business and organizing. This platform is find its own way, but I think it slow. Responds could take days. I would love to see a monthly, weekly, few times a year.

I'm not worried about law enforcement as much as harassment/vigilantes/stalkers. It feels like we are better off choosing public appearances carefully and organizing without outside pressure when possible.

But thanks for the insight, I will look into those people.

Not trouble, good luck!

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Also there's the infamous Amos Yee.

Back in jail.


You also missed Scotusbaby:
https://www.youtube.com/@mrminer071166
He's a member here (though spends most of his time at BC).

[PorcelainLark]

Also there's the infamous Amos Yee.

Back in jail.

Hmm, why am I not surprised?

You also missed Scotusbaby:
https://www.youtube.com/@mrminer071166
He's a member here (though spends most of his time at BC).

Cool, didn't know about him.

[TMKnight]

Thank you all, it is cool to see there are people out. I just hope they are willing to help each other out. Build each other up (MAPs that is).

Any of you have any ideas who might be willing to sponsor to fund a MAPs startup concept?

[KatieCruz]

Please consider using a value-neutral term like PIM instead of CSAM.

MAP
AMSC
PIM

The three terms for the 2020s.

I know what MAP is, but I'm unfamiliar with the other acronyms.

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Please consider using a value-neutral term like PIM instead of CSAM.

MAP
AMSC
PIM

The three terms for the 2020s.

I know what MAP is, but I'm unfamiliar with the other acronyms.

https://www.map-union.org/encyclopedia/glossary

AMSC - "adult-minor sexual contact" is intended to be a value neutral term used instead of "child sex abuse". The problem with "child sex abuse" is that it becomes tautological. Rather than researchers looking at contact between adults and minors impartially, they assume abuse from the beginning and then work backwards to find what was abusive. It may be true that most AMSC is abusive- an anti-c MAP may hold that opinion- but even so there is no reason to use language that universally assumes abuse.

PIM - "prohibited images of minors" similarly intends to refer to images based on their legal standing, rather than moral standing. Illegal images, depending on jurisdiction, can include lolisho, fiction, AI generated and non-coerced self generated images. The term "CSAM", again, assumes that the images depict actual abuse, when not all illegal content is actually abusive. Meanwhile, the term "CP", as some critics point out can result in a overly positive interpretation of content that is blatantly abusive and harmful. "PIM" avoids both of these extremes by merely describing that the images depict minors and are illegal. Both abusive and non-abusive content is included in the term.

[Strato]

Re Savile ...

In 2009 the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) claimed that “an absence of statements from the victims led to there being insufficient to charge the suspect with any criminal offence. On October 1st 2009, the suspect was interviewed. He denied all the allegations and suggested that such complaints were motivated by money and the type a TV and radio celebrity attracted.” The basis of the final decision by CPS was confirmed in a written response on 26 October 2009 as “… on applying the evidential test in the absence of statements from victims, there is clearly insufficient evidence to charge the suspect with any criminal offence.”

I am puzzled by the stark contrast between the sympathetic coverage the UK celebrity Huw Edwards gets on this board and the vitriol heaped on the UK celebrity Jimmy Savile. The former pleaded guilty and has received a suspended prison sentence as a result. The latter was never charged with any crime and therefore neither appeared in court nor received a prison sentence. On the other hand, both were tried by UK media, found guilty, and thrown to the wolves, Savile posthumously.

I recommend everyone consider the evidence or lack of it relating to the "crimes" he was supposed to have committed, every last one awarded to Savile posthumously. A good place to start is the jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.com - there are some 825 plus blogs on this resource dating back over the last decade. There are other resources too that have painstakingly sifted through the lies, the criminality, and the cowardly vendetta waged against Savile over the past decade.

Many MAPs in the collective west have suffered and continue to suffer the same fate as Edwards and Savile. I may not be able to change that destructive paradigm overnight, but evidently I see I have had to start the process right here ... of all places.

[Xuxa Nuit]

Thank you all, it is cool to see there are people out. I just hope they are willing to help each other out. Build each other up (MAPs that is).

Any of you have any ideas who might be willing to sponsor to fund a MAPs startup concept?

Put me in charge of my own crew and I'll change the world.
All of this data information collection about court cases and law is heady stuff that I don't find very useful at all to the majority of MAPs.
It's all very sterile & cold.
What MAPs need is philosophy and emotional stimulation, good leadership, not facts and spreadsheets.
Fund me and I will deliver.

[Batmanthecute]

I'll help in any way I can. Just give their address and I'll write to them once a week. Please check out my post about the disgusting treatment of map camp, I'll put the link at the bottom. I'm proposing a bunch of us MAPs throw in on a plot of land in the middle of nowhere to be able to hold meetings and events without fear of public outrage. This land could be where an abandoned hotel is that's an hour from civilization and call it Mazes and Portals Inn. Something with M.A.P acronyms but not too revealing. I don’t know what I’ll call it but it could just be a sanctuary for map’s to meet and bond over ideas and strategies to grow as a community and as an activist movement. We'll pay to have it fixed up to have our corner of the world. Shit, let's buy an island if we have to. Start a go fund me. Shit like that. We need a center for us to feel safe, you know? The Mormon’s took over Utah, we’re taking over Nebraska. lol. Probably not Nebraska but you get my point. I just have to organize it and get the word out. But if I help you get this company going can you please consider helping me with building a sanctuary? I can think of a couple successful map's we could get as investors.

Leon Black is accused of raping a 16-year-old in the early 2000's while he was associated with Jeffrey Epstein. An American investor with Net Worth Estimated at over $9 billion. He was never convicted so I would be deeply cautious about approaching him. If you've ever heard of Dan Schneider then you'd know he's got some money in the bank from founding an extremely successful production company that made kids shows for years. He's made around $40 million. He was recently exposed in a documentary so he's probably looking for a financial outlet. Roman Polanski was convicted of statutory rape in 1977 but fled the U.S. before sentencing. He made a movie that flopped for he's probably looking for a business project. He's made around $50 million dollars. Peter Nygård is fashion industry mogul who was arrested in Canada in 2020 on U.S. charges of sex trafficking but has not been convicted. He denies all allegations, and legal proceedings are ongoing. He's made around $900 Million dollars. Media Mogul named David Geffen has made an Estimated at $7.7 billion. Geffen has faced rumors and accusations of misconduct involving minors, though these allegations remain unsubstantiated in legal proceedings. No charges or convictions have been brought against him, and he denies any wrongdoing. Justin Roiland is the co-creator of Rick and Morty. He also founded a video game company until he was exposed for messaging minors for years. His net worth is around $7 million. He’s probably in need of a financial project.

Victor Salva is an American film director who has a net worth of $100 thousand to $200 thousand from his film franchise, Jeepers Creepers. He is a convicted sex offender and was convicted in 1988 for sexual misconduct with a 12 year old boy. Due to the me-too movement he hasn’t been able to find work so he could be a potential investor. Woody Allen’s net worth is $140–$200 million from his prolific career as a writer, director, actor, and producer, spanning over six decades. Jake and Dinos Chapman are British visual artists, previously known as the Chapman Brothers. Their art includes childlike mannequins with explicit features and scenes depicting violence and depravity. While these are intended as critiques of societal taboos, they have been accused of being exploitative or offensive by some critics. They are estimated to have a combined net worth of $10–20 million. They do not have any allegations or convictions. Just are with disturbing imagery that has sparked outrage and debate, leading some to misinterpret or sensationalize their intentions. This may have led to rumors or assumptions about inappropriate behavior, but these remain unsubstantiated so this another to proceed with caution. Another to be careful with is Charle Sheen. He was accused of molesting Corey Feldman and Corey Haim when they were 13 by Feldman and multiple people close to Haim. In a court hearing with his ex-wife she claims to have found illegal material on his computer. Plus, his close colleges are accused of sex crimes against kids including Bryan Singer. Charlie is the highest paid actor in TV history. He made $1.8 million per episode on Two and A Half Men so his total earnings exceed $130 Million. Including all of his other projects, Sheen has made over $200 Million dollars. Like I said, these are allegations so proceed with caution. Jared Fogle, the former spokesperson for Subway, had an estimated net worth of $15 million at the height of his fame. However, following his conviction and imprisonment, his wealth has likely diminished substantially.

Please comment your thoughts about Map Camp and my business proposition. I can help you get to where you need to be if we help each other out in the end. You can even run your business at the sanctuary. It'd probably be great for you if you had an all map staff. I was thinking of renting out rooms like an apartment anyways.
https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=3832#p3832