Pedologues

[Harlan]

In the absence of any further comment, I may as well append the Pedologue (episode 1 through 5) dialogue summaries here. If there is no appetite for more of the same regarding subsequent episodes, I will stop at this point. As before, feel free to comment.

Great. It would be nice to have this saved somewhere for all episodes (ideally on newgon wiki).

[Strato]

Thank you Jim and Harlan.

I will plod on with summary construction for episodes 6 though 10 in that case. Once completed, mid Oct.?, I will add this next tranche of summaries here as before, unless anyone tells me otherwise ...

[FairBlueLove]

Thanks Strato for the hard work.

I see a lot of transcripts on YouTube nowadays. Maybe there is software that prepares them.

Summaries would help in the FST intros. FST itself does not provide the archives with much traffic.

Maybe Mu can do one post (guest blogs?) for every 5 or so pedologues with a summary of the topics covered and rough times. This can be done over 18 months or so.

I tried different transcription models up to the large v1 of OpenVINO. This is the only one which was able to do a decent job in one go, otherwise, with smaller models, the file must be subdivided in chunks to avoid a bad transcription. It takes about 1-2 hours to transcribe an episode with the large model (the base model takes minutes, but, again, it would need pre- and post- processing manual time).

Is there a way I can post the transcription without making a km long post? On other boards there is the [spoiler][/spoiler] tag, which doesn't seem to work here.

Is there still interest in the bare transcripts? Let me know if I have to proceed and where I can publish the material.

[Jim Burton]

Bare transcripts can be posted to FST quite easily, below the synopsis.

[FairBlueLove]

Bare transcripts can be posted to FST quite easily, below the synopsis.

Can any user do that or only the poster of the video? (besides, I have no FST account).

Anyways, I see that generation of transcripts using OpenVINO gives mixed results. Errors and oddities are not rare, especially at the beginning and at the end, even using the large model. So the transcripts should be checked before posting, as a bad transcript is of no use I think. Not sure if Youtube would do a perfect job either, as some episodes are quite messy (audio-wise).

I have posted the transcript of Episode#10 here. It is not fully proofread, so not ready for publication yet.

[Strato]

Thank you Jim and Harlan.

I will plod on with summary construction for episodes 6 though 10 in that case. Once completed, mid Oct.?, I will add this next tranche of summaries here as before, unless anyone tells me otherwise ...

Pedologues Episode 6 (30 October 2005) Rookiee, Renée, Aqua, and George

Pedologues intro-outro music.
Rookiee concerned Lennon’s acoustic guitar music may attract litigation from Oko Yono, and asked listeners to propose alternative theme music. (02:10 to 04:40)

Introductions, listener feedback.
First email from a straight 16yo: “You are not just preaching to the choir. Initial reaction was ‘What The Hell ...’, however, I was intrigued enough to listen to one of your podcasts. Although I don’t agree 100% with your views, there is hope enough to educate people. I realise you are no more evil than gays, and so not evil at all. You honestly want to love like your heart tells you to. I sincerely hope that one day, people will be able to love whom they wish.” Second email from 18yo male: “When I first listened to Pedologues, it confused me that you should use the term paedophile to describe yourselves. On looking up this term in the AOL dictionary supplied to me free at college, it says ‘An adult who is sexually attracted to children, a child molester. Re paedophilia ‘A sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.’”. George: stereotypical discrimination. (04:40 to 14:34)

AAMs.
The 18yo correspondent goes on to say that his AOA is 12 to 18, but cannot understand how a child could ever be sexually attracted to an adult. Renée recalls the 36yo adult friend she had a consensual loving relationship with at age 11. He was a customer at the coffee shop where she worked that she got closer and closer to. Her mother did not object to their initially non-sexual relationship. Aqua who is 12yo and gay, is attracted to age range 12yo to 30yo. Rookiee at age 10, found boys of same age attractive, but as he grew older, the age of attraction remained constant. As a 12yo, being attracted to 10yo boys is called homosexuality, but as you grow older, it is called paedophilia, even though it is still homosexuality. (14:35 to 19:39)

AOA versus sexual attraction.
The public focus less on age, more on how wrong paedophilic attraction is, stereotypically: 'How could anyone possibly be sexually attracted to a youngster in the first place?' The ensuing hysteria results in individual profiling to obtain a classification of mental illness. It is not considered too big a problem for a 12yo to be sexually attracted to another 12yo. However, as soon as that age gap widens, the small problem gets inflated to humungous proportions. (19:40 to 21:27)

Gay youth.
Pro-gay talk-show host Bill Handel on KFI AM 640, talks about gay youth and how they are coming out at an earlier age and discussing their gay realisation. First clip: Handel noted that social conservatives, who are anti-gay anyway, are very concerned about gay adolescents being given an opportunity to come out publicly. Second clip: during the 1960s, gay men recalled desiring other males at age 14 whilst gay women recalled desiring other women at age 17. By the 1990s the age had dropped to 10 for boys, and 12 for girls. Handel adds that youngsters shouldn’t endure the same loneliness and longing that gay people had to endure in the past. Handel recalled his first sexual experience at age 12 with an older woman of around 20. He also commended the Netherlands for having a comprehensive and progressive age of consent policy for Dutch youth. (21:28 to 26:14)

Kidnap, Rape, Torture.
However, as soon as Handel talks about paedophiles, the tone changes, and the crimes of kidnap, rape and torture emerge and they become synonymous with the concept of paedophilia. Handel plays a clip of Oprah Winfrey offering a $100,000 reward to anyone denouncing such people to the FBI. Rookiee: people are blurring the line between people who want to hurt others, and people who are biologically and naturally attracted to others. It may be that such people had their natural attraction suppressed to such a degree, they took a wrong turn and made inappropriate decisions. Renée’s story: At age 14, she was a victim of violent rape. She was teaching English to a 50 year old student, and he imprisoned her for more than 24 hours, the period of time the authorities let lapse before taking action. Once she had been found, released, and taken to safety, her doctors said that in a further two hours, she would have bled to death. The rapist is still roaming the streets. (26:15 to 31:59)

Grooming families.
Handel talks about single men worming their way into family homes, all the while being friendly but at the same time, harbouring ulterior motives. Rookiee discusses the point Kinsey made about individuals who have been sexuality suppressed. Such people tend to become obsessed with specific objects of desire. (32:00 to 35:14)

Intergenerational gay friendship.
If kids know they are gay at 10 or 12 years old, and they enter into a reciprocal friendship with an older friend, what makes it wrong for those two people to enjoy this relationship? George: if you both know in your heart it is right and you want to celebrate that friendship together, then that is a matter solely for the two of you. It is not up to society to prevent such a friendship. Rookiee: Is it society’s censorship of finding children sexual that outlaws such relationships, or is it society preventing a couple from deciding themselves? The panel: both. George: society’s usual response to the child ... wait until you are a little older, then you will know. Society’s response to the adult... if you do that, you will be charged with molestation, child pornography, kidnap, solicitation, grooming, or a whole raft of other crimes. (35:15 to 40:19)

Informed consent.
At what point do children have sufficient cognitive ability to make informed decisions? Cultural beliefs dictate what a person can or can’t do at a given age. However, the experiences a child has previously had, determines to what extent they can make informed decisions. Survival trains hard. Informed consent is a function of how ready a person is to agree to do something. A gay child will be more able to give informed consent if those around him are more accepting of his sexuality. Unfortunately society fails gay kids because gay support is denied to them. George: the kids come into the SQR chat rooms because they feel safe, wanted and accepted. Rookiee: they also get to talk to adults who are in a position to answer the many questions they have, adults who have been through the self-same situations in the past. The kids know what they want, and yet if they went for it, society would class it as abuse and punish accordingly. (40:20 to 48:09)

Stopping the unstoppable.
Mutual attraction means it is going to happen regardless. No-one can stop kids from smoking even though it is illegal for them to do so. They will find ways to obtain the cigarettes, even though they cannot legally buy them in the shops. With mutual attraction, society will do all in its power to prevent their children practising same-sex intimacy for fear their offspring turn out gay. (48:10 to 50:24)

Anti-gay christianity.
Boys as young as three years old being physically abused by their fathers to make them strong and macho, thereby reducing the chance that they turn out gay, or, a boy of eight being forcibly circumcised with a hunter’s knife by his father because it was “God’s Will”. Aqua: If God is all powerful and decided to make a small proportion of the global population gay, why do conservative Christians talk about how horrible gayness is and that being gay is a sin. It doesn’t matter what religion you follow. What does matter is how you apply your religion to everyday life, so long as it benefits everyone you come into contact with. Society is more willing to condone violence than it is to love fellow man. (50:25 to 56:05)


Pedologues Episode 7 (5 November 2005) Rookiee, Renée, Just Me, and Why How Which

Introductions.
Renée introduced in episode 6. Just Me attended a Baptist seminary in preparation for entering the priesthood. Why How Which is a Brit. (03:20 to 05:14)

Feeback.
Rookiee mentioned the Bibb and Yaz podcast. If Rookiee tries to post something on this duo’s website, he gets the response “Cork it child molester”. The duo claims that to be a paedophile, you need to be gay and into boys less than 10 years old; the boy also needs to be a faggot. This restriction rules out Renée who is female, and it also rules out everyone else who is into such boys. The two hosts of a second podcast found Pedologues boring, perhaps because it failed to confirm all their prejudices. (05:15 to 12:59)

SQIR archiving.
Rookiee urging Sure Quality Radio Internet Radio (SQIR) DJs to hit the archive button and turn them into podcasts, especially if they are talk shows. Rookiee shouldn’t have to be the only one doing this type of podcast. (13:00 to 15:29)

18yo: man or boy?
Rookiee: has noticed on media news, an 18yo is a man if he commits a crime, and a boy if he is a victim. Is an 18yo a man or a boy? Just Me: depends on the individual. Renée: a 15yo is a sometimes referred to as a young man. Rookiee: on occasion a 17yo is called a child, and a 10yo a youth. Why How Which: 15yo to 18yo is the range for a UK youth. US society refers to a 17yo as a victim of child abuse. Renée: if a 16yo is not old enough to vote, then no way should he be expected to go to war. A 10yo child can have the cognitive ability to decide to murder someone, and can thus be charged with murder as if he was an adult. (15:30 to 24:29)

UK youth restrictions.
Why How Which: 18yo considered to be an adult. 16yo is the age of consent, but 21yo for homosexuals up till the early 1990s, before bringing it down to 18yo, and finally parity with heterosexuals. If one is in a position of authority, then it is illegal to have sex with your 16yo or 17yo students. (24:30 to 25:49)

Child grooming Wikipedia.
Rookiee considered the article biased, so placed a fallacy tag against it. The author claimed ‘only paedophiles groomed children’ and ‘it is only used for explicit sexual intent’. The fallacy here is that grooming is also a term that applies to a range of child-rearing activities, child education, and establishing moral foundation. Rookiee’s re-write was effectively a neutral piece that removed author bias, but the author still took this down. Rookiee recommended people visit the article and comment on it as he did. The other dimension is that society has become more ‘online’ in recent years and less ‘in real life’, but the concept of child grooming remains the same and just as polarised. (25:50 to 33:54)

Limited citeable research.
A big drawback is the lack of citeable research on the topic of adult-child relationships, to strengthen one’s case on resources such as Wikipedia. One notable exception is David Riegel, a Dutch author, who wrote Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers. He published a number of other similar books. His first book contained online anonymous testimony in the style of Kinsey. Rookiee: suggest undertaking scientific research into the field of intergenerational relationships via a dedicated website, where individuals can record past experiences, either as an adult or as a child. First, brainstorm relevant questions to elicit ‘within-scope’ responses, and then subject the data to statistical analysis. Just Me: the law doesn’t always penalise an age gap between child and adult. In Missouri, a more than twenty year plus age gap between two adults can attract charges of molestation. (33:55 to 43:24)

Social changes.
People can go out into the world without leaving their home whilst online. Chat rooms for many become social clubs. Renée depends on chat-rooms for her social life; she has no family where she lives, and the chat-rooms provide a surrogate family. On the topic of low-income families, parents have to work long hours to afford to live in a house that they can call their own. Historically, multiple generations lived under the same roof or in the same village. In post-war years, younger generations moved away to locate good jobs and higher incomes. More recently, as property prices rose, wages failed to keep up, so the younger generation has increasingly been forced to return to the family home. (43:25 to 49:20)


Pedologues Episode 8 (12 November 2005) Rookiee, Renée, Aqua, and Happy

Introductions.
Renée introduced in episode 6. Aqua introduced in episode 7. Happy is a Brit. Waffle. (06:00 to 09:49)

Pre-podcast topics.
Mr Kellogg of cornflakes invention fame, designed food products so that consumers would find them so boring and puritanical they would immediately take steps to become celibate. He thought masturbation amongst children was such a bad thing, that he promoted the manufacture of chastity belts to prevent them from touching themselves. (09:50 to 13:49)

Podcast Expo recording. (13:50 to 25:34)

Pushing Back Podcast - grooming.
Rationale of Pushing Back podcast is to protect kids from online predators, without quantifying instances of online predator encounters? Rookiee mentions his hoped-for Kinsey-style statistics gathering initiative mentioned in episode 7, to compile statistics such as this. Aqua: no-one has approached me online in such a way to date. From the podcast: “Once a predator identifies a victim, they use a technique called online grooming to trap the child.” Happy: all they have done is choose a dirty word and relate it to paedophiles. This word can also be applied to adults predating other adults. Rookiee gives a further meaning: the moulding of a child by educators and parents alike. The negative connotation is a way of out-casting people from society. (25:35 to 28:54)

Pushing Back Podcast - coercion.
From the podcast: “The systematic breaking down of a child’s mental and emotional state is geared to one goal: to meet the child in real life and assault him or her.” The narrator assumes that any sexual activity between an adult and a child is assault. It is assumed therefore that no minor can have sexual feelings whatsoever for another person. Happy: it is hard to believe that the narrator had no sexual feelings up to the age of 17. Rookiee: it is also hard to believe that someone has difficulty recalling their own burgeoning sexuality from puberty onwards. (28:55 to 30:14)

Pushing Back Podcast – porn use.
From the podcast. “Perhaps you didn’t also know that the average age of exposure to pornographic material is 11 years old, and the largest consumers of internet pornography are children aged 12 to 17.” Rookiee: children are not aged 17. Aqua: the narrator is clearly reading from a script that someone else wrote. Rookiee would love to have the narrator on Pedologues. This narrator condones and supports vigilantism via PervertedJustice.com, referring to them as noble people. Happy: humans seem to have a basic need to hate others almost at a tribal level. (30:15 to 33:49)

Pushing Back Podcast – commercial porn.
From the podcast: “This is the most incredible concept I have ever heard: Targeting kids to move a product that’s not meant for them in the first place. In a nutshell, companies use several tactics to get pornography in front of kids. They use soft porn ads. They use scantily-dressed women and sexual innuendo and videos. They advertise on sites they know kids are going to go to, even if the kids shouldn’t go to them.” Rookiee: The claim that the ads are being pushed on kids is a fallacy. Kids are biologically programmed to want to watch them. The narrator is in denial. (33:50 to 35:04)

Pushing Back Podcast – P2P files.
From the podcast: “Peer to peer networks are full of innocently-named files and when you download them, they are pornography.” Rookiee: the narrator is insinuating that the primary source of the pornography is paedophiles, without actually saying it. This propaganda is all about control, and making society fearful so that it restricts the natural development of the child. (35:05 to 37:29)
From the podcast: “File-sharing networks like WinMX or BearShare, a child could search for pictures about batman, and end up downloading pornographic images.” Aqua: its people like the narrator that are trying to get the P2P networks shut down. Renée: but when one is shut down, another pops up. Rookiee: no matter how hard they try to suppress, people will find ways to overcome it. Even the Chinese government cannot stop its people from communicating, especially with the advent of the internet. (37:30 to 41:04)

Pushing Back Podcast – conclusion.
Happy: I have never held a grudge against those who are ignorant, and that podcast narrator is ignorant. If you ever want to know the truth about something, just peel back the layers of deceit, brainwashing and propaganda, essentially everything you have learnt since you were born, and look logically at it for what it really is. Rookiee: George Carlin once said that the reason why the education system in America sucks, is because the people who run and own the country don’t want smart, intelligent critical thinkers; they want diligent workers and obedient servants. (41:05 to 44:49)

Podcast Expo recording cont. (44:50 to 01:03:49)

Waffle, goodbyes. (01:03:50 to 01:13:10)


Pedologues Episode 9 (20 November 2005) Rookiee, Fallen, Buddy Christ, Amigo, and Howard

Introductions.

Howard is an on-line writer and has a website cerius.org entitled “A personal statement website on paedophile life and politics.” The website explains who I am in this sphere of my life, and why I feel that the way this issue is handled in our world today is dead wrong. Even in the US some communities exist that believe children do need a healthy attitude towards sexuality, but we have this culture that won’t let that opinion flourish without being squelched terribly. Amigo: this oppression is not confined to the US; it pervades much of the western world. (01:30 to 07:04)

Double standards.
Fallen: case in Georgia of a 15yo boy marrying a 37yo woman. Work colleagues commented the woman must be the most disgusting person out there. If one swapped the genders round, it wouldn’t be such a big deal, so the double standard persists. Rookiee: the case of a 14yo involved with his hot 20yo English teacher, and the media saying: Damn, I wish my teacher was like that when I was at school. If it was a male teacher, then he would be labelled a monster. Another case involved a woman who had sex with teenagers, got a 30-year sentence. Fallen: these are essentially victimless crimes. Taxpayer money needed to imprison these offenders must run into hundreds of thousands of dollars over a thirty year period; it is neither cost effective nor does it benefit society. Howard: not to mention the damage to the boy, either from ridicule, or facing a sentence for what she did to him. Two more age-difference cases where the woman was older: Demi Moore and Mary Kay Letourneau. (07:05 to 13:04)

Sex is bad.
Buddy Christ: the dynamic of the first relationship with someone younger was opposite, as I was not the instigator. I tend to acquiesce rather than play the lead role. Rookie: personal question of each person here ... how old were you when you were intimate consensually for the first time? Howard: 17yo with woman who solicited him; it was a one-off event. The problem with not having any earlier experience was the illegality of such activity. I urgently wanted to lose my virginity by that time. How much better would it have been if I had been with others willing to teach me, rather than jumping at this ugly bitch once I was 17. (13:05 to 16:44)

Children’s rights.
Rookiee: I disagree with those that maintain children should have no rights. They should have both rights and protections, for example, deciding what to do with their own body. In Mexico kids of 12 in rural areas drive vehicles, so they become an asset within farming communities. In California, legal restrictions mean youth have no clue how to drive until they are 18. The parallel with a child’s experience of sex is relevant here, for example: being prevented from having a loving encounter with another human being, plus related social and life experiences. George Carlin: “They have to wear helmets for everything except jacking off.” (16:45 to 18:44)

Sexually Transmitted Diseases.
Buddy Christian: One of the reasons why society is against teenage sex is the threat of STDs. The threat is very real. His mother is in the medical profession, and she discusses instances of 17 year-olds already diagnosed with full HIV. If society creates a taboo around a subject calling it a social disease, and simultaneously refuses to openly discuss it and educate the young, problems will arise. A virus doesn’t care who it targets; if your defences are down, it will likely attack you. (18:45 to 21:09)

Circumcision I.
Buddy Christian: a lot of US males are circumcised, and the fact that glans are exposed 24/7 inevitably makes it less sensitive. Rookiee: mentioned having experience with someone who was uncircumcised, and it became evident to him just how sensitive it can be down there. Amigo: in New Zealand, hardly any male is circumcised. At his school, one boy was circumcised, and all his peers were checking him out as it was so unusual. Buddy Christian: How much is a plane ticket to New Zealand? (21:10 to 22:36)

New Zealand consent law.
Amigo: New Zealand Reform Act states that a boy can make the decision to have sex at age 12. However, the age of consent there is 16. If a boy between the ages of 12 and 16 reports an instance of “abuse” more than a year after it happened, then there are no grounds for the other person to be charged. In sum, the authorities believe a child of 12 can say yes to sex, but is dissuaded from doing so by law. (22:37 to 24:54)

Outdated laws.
Rookiee: As society mores change, laws fail to keep pace. Many US laws are more than fifty years old. Fallen: notes that the constitution has sufficient elasticity for interpretation. Rookiee: When the constitution was written, everyone adhered to the moral code within the bible, but society has since replaced a puritanical lifestyle with a hedonistic one. Sodomy case and the banning of gay marriage in Texas reflect a puritan majority there. Civil rights ought to be based on fairness and equality; it should never be left to the majority vote because minorities will always lose out. Benjamin Franklin: Democracy should be more than two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb. The more liberty exists, the more one can fight the popular vote. Buddy Christian: Thomas Jefferson: people who give up liberty for security deserve neither. Howard: Immigrants came to the US in the first place to escape religious persecution. Rookiee: however, the rules they established turned out to be more oppressive than the ones they were fleeing from. (24:55 to 31:24)

Circumcision II.
Howard: Involved in paedophilia as a political issue for seven years, yet never thought too much about the topic of circumcision. I now conclude circumcision is a terrible act of torture on a defenceless child, and legalised sexual abuse. The majority of boys in the US have had their genitals mutilated. The screams that an infant utters during the procedure, tells you they really don’t like it, but that is the only way they can voice their refusal to consent. Society has forgotten why they do it, although religious people say if Jesus did it, we must do it too, so they continue to do it anyway. While profiting from it, medics of course claim it is for the child’s own good. Rookiee: the sacred Jewish tradition historically to circumvent male infibulation by Israel’s enemies such as the Romans. Howard highlights the resistance to outlawing circumcision. Even his own mother, who originally agreed to circumcise her son, claims the child feels no pain. She believes it is absolutely fine to chop off the end of an infant’s penis. But for a person to go and gently caress that penis whilst the child experiences pleasure, is a sin worthy of putting someone away forever. Puritan belief ... sex solely comprises the single missionary-style act to procreate. (31:25 to 39:04)

Gay.com story.
Howard: In the chat room, a 50 year old guy hooked up and had a conversation, asking me about my chat room bio line: interested in boys. I confirmed this was so. The guy seemed shocked, and asked what would a boy want in a man your age? I replied, an older male has knowledge and wisdom that is very attractive to a boy. The guy said, like ancient Greece? No, like throughout history to the present day. Now it is opposed by an intensely oppressive culture. The chat room guy was clearly disapproving, yet I did not back down. Clearly I got him to think about the subject in ways he had never done before. After the call I felt proud of myself, considering it to be a small act of resistance and activism. Amigo: when you explain your attraction on a one to one basis with someone, then it is possible to gain some understanding from the listener. (39:05 to 47:44)

Boylover boyhood experiences.
Amigo: Knew I was a boylover at age 13, but also knew I was not gay. All I heard on the radio was that boylovers were monsters and that they could only hurt a child. Gay to me at that time meant being into peers and older. Buddy Christian: knew I was attracted to the smaller boys at school, but did not feel I was the stereotypical gay, even though I questioned myself continuously. Fallen: When I was 8, I was attracted to a 7 year old neighbour. I really wanted to see him in as little clothing as possible, so one day I went up to him and pantsed him; he was in shock, got angry and tackled me. Rookiee: what Freud would call a stage of not yet fully developed attraction. Fallen: By 12 the attraction was fully developed and I had my first young friend with benefits aged 8. Simultaneous with that was a huge attraction for a girl at school who promptly left the area. Amigo: Girls were the thing up to 12, but recall with regret an experience whilst camping when a peer jumped on me then began to feel me up. I was like ‘get off you faggot!’ A year later, I knew my sexuality better, and kicked myself for reacting the way I did. Buddy Christian: I am attracted to red-haired boys. One time a red-head class mate aged 11 slept over. He asked whether we could sleep naked, but I said no, probably fearing he had a bigger penis than I did. I kick myself to this day for saying no. Rookiee: When 12 there was a 13 yo who was so crushed on me, and all my classmates except me, knew he was gay. Meanwhile I was crushed on an 11 yo who was crushed on the 13 yo. Piggy in the middle didn’t benefit from this triangle at all, due to shyness and telling myself I was straight. I also kick myself to this day for lacking courage. (47:45 to 01:02:08)

Being kept ignorant.
Howard: I felt ashamed and embarrassed when experiencing erections 8 yo onwards. I consider that I was sexually molested as a child by having sexuality withheld from me, specifically not being instructed and educated in an intelligent fashion to help me learn about my body and how to enjoy it. Instead, being trained to be ashamed of it by being told it was bad, and told to cover up all because the chapter of Genesis in the bible tells you to do so. At the time, I was locked into that terrible perspective. I have gone back to study the bible to discover why they taught me the way they did. (01:02:09 to 01:05:36)

Impact of religion.
Amigo: What is the impact of religion on US kids in the US? Rookiee: Depends on your location, your situation, your family. Fallen: I have always been in religious schools, and I believe all it does is breed sexual addicts. Rookiee: Whatever you make taboo becomes an obsession. They teach you sex education, but then in the same breath tell you not to do it let alone enjoy it. Amigo: New Zealand schools are not allowed to teach any distinct religious ideas. Buddy Christian: It would benefit the US if they actually took the ten commandments and began following them. (01:05:37 to 01:12:27)


Pedologues Episode 10 (27 November 2005) Rookiee, Just Me, Renée, Boy Story, and Aqua

Introductions.
Just Me, Renée, Aqua introduced in previous episodes. Boy Story: tuned into SQIR for the first time at the suggestion of my young friend. Amadeus was hosting the show and it just so happens that Amadeus and I share a few acquaintances. I write short stories for Nifty.org. I am the Boy Story featured on that site’s LGBT erotic stories archive. Nifty.org has disclaimers saying you have to be over 18 to read the stories, but in reality, 80% of those that do are under 18. I had a purge of thirty-five members because their profiles explicitly stated they were under 18, or they included no age. The site does not allow rape or snuff stories. (01:25 to 12:39)

Boy Story’s story.
First realised I was into boys when I was 19. I was a ‘professional’ young friend, in other words, a slut, up to the age of 16, and went with older guys. When 16, I hooked up with a boy lover, and during our conversations, he said to me, you are really into younger guys, aren’t you? To which the response was: well yes, I am. (12:40 to 14:04)

What is boylove?
Rookie: so he introduced to the world beyond just sex ... how would you define that world? Boy Story: essentially bettering the life of the boy, whether helping him with his homework, or instilling a sense of values, or increasing his self-esteem. There is a difference between the words values and morals. Values: be respectful of yourself and of others; be careful of what you do and how it affects others. Morals: a dogma taught to us by society which has a degree of merit, but is mostly bullshit. Historically, boy love has been around for eons. When a boy has no inclination towards sex, doesn’t mean to say you cannot form a relationship with him. Two types of attraction towards boys: boylovers and boyfuckers. The latter group cannot come close to calling themselves boylovers. (14:05 to 18:19)

Five love languages
Renée: like me and my adult friend when I was 11 and he was 36. There was nothing sexual between us until I was older, but he was there for me in many aspects of my life early on. Five love languages: quality time, acts of service, gifts, words of affirmation, physical touch. I took a love languages course before being allowed to get married. Unfortunately, my ex-husband had physical touch at the top of his list, and I had quality time as my priority, so conflicts arose. I try to practise that with my two young friends, but communicating with them online makes this difficult. Rookie: what is the love language they use for the adult? Renée: it depends because you find out every child is different, that is if you make the effort to listen. For children younger than say, five, they have not developed the concept of the five languages. Even up to seven years old, their personality is not yet fully formed. (18:20 to 23:09)

Demarcating AoA.
Rookiee: in discussion with guys into really young children, I would ask: What would you really do with someone that young? I would draw the line maybe at 9yo from a sexual attraction perspective, but for younger, the interest would be passive although I might find them cute. Boy Story: in discussion on this topic, the age of consent laws are the worst ever written. Renée: the media always focuses on the bad stories concerning molestation, and never portrays the good side of child love. (23:10 to 26:46)

Someone to trust.
Aqua: long-distance relationship when I was 11 and he was 21. He was a really nice person and would do anything for me, but ended up pursuing other people. The fact that I was able to open up to him and discuss pretty much anything was good. Just Me: I have had similar young friends who turn to me for the very same reasons as Aqua stated. One boy was able to contact me when his home situation got really bad, and I would pick him up and was there for him as listener. (26:47 to 31:54)

Conflict with religion.
Just Me: I studied in a seminary to become a priest, but then left. I have been through the paradox between my faith and the potential evil and intolerance the church symbolises within the child love community. Rookie: playing the Devil’s Advocate: some might say, as a religious leader, you should know better than to represent an agency that broadcasts a ‘homosexuality is wrong’ mantra. Just Me: age is never mentioned in the bible, and homosexuality was introduced from the King James version onwards. Rookiee: age of consent is a recent invention. Just Me: in the time of Jesus, one could marry at 12 years old. The excuse used to get round that fact is that morality has advanced since then, but at the same time other cultures retain that morality. Renée: just because the US thinks itself better than anyone else, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s true. (31:55 to 39:34)

Sociology versus Biology.
Rookiee: historically, life expectancy was half of what it is today, so marriage would have to happen at a much earlier age. Just Me: maybe as we are living longer and the decision to raise a family is being put back further, so children are being born to older parents. Rookiee: perhaps social aspects of our society are becoming misaligned with our biological aspects. Our bodies are telling us to do something that is well ahead of what is now socially acceptable. Boy Story: in addition, children are entering puberty several years earlier than historically. (39:35 to 41:48)

Waffle. (41:49 to 47:29)

Cry for help.
Boy Story received an email from a 15yo boy commenting on a Nifty.org erotic story called Gabriel, a 15yo fictional character who meets someone in a chat room, and decides to meet this person. The email correspondent who is gay, said Gabriel’s story really touched him. He lives in a house with a conservative rabidly anti-gay father and an acquiescent mother. His father gives him tips on how to get girls. He knows he will be kicked out of the house and excommunicated if ever his parents discover his true sexuality identity. He says he really wishes he wasn’t gay and could make his father happy. The only gay outlet he has is Nifty.org. At school, he has to put up with his peers who revel in their homophobia. His email continues for another sixteen paragraphs. (47:30 to 50:38)

Youth support.
Renée: a YMCA set up for the gay and lesbian youth in my town, run by people who understand what kids go through. They have their own Pride parade. Aqua: really no outlet or support where I live. It is made difficult because as soon as an older guy appears on the scene, the support becomes evil. Boy Story: ten years ago, I did voluntary unpaid Los Angeles gay and lesbian youth counselling, providing advice to teens. However, it was perceived by the parents that as I was in my thirties providing advice to teens, I was there for an ulterior motive. The director broke the news, so I resigned. That was a let-down for me, because I really enjoyed the work. At no point did I communicate my attraction for boys within that agency or when chatting to the teens. The teens trusted me sufficiently to confide their problems, knowing that I would not come on to them. (50:39 to 01:02:18)

[Jim Burton]

Bare transcripts can be posted to FST quite easily, below the synopsis.

Can any user do that or only the poster of the video? (besides, I have no FST account).

Anyways, I see that generation of transcripts using OpenVINO gives mixed results. Errors and oddities are not rare, especially at the beginning and at the end, even using the large model. So the transcripts should be checked before posting, as a bad transcript is of no use I think. Not sure if Youtube would do a perfect job either, as some episodes are quite messy (audio-wise).

I have posted the transcript of Episode#10 here. It is not fully proofread, so not ready for publication yet.

Right now, just me and whoever uploaded the video.

[Jim Burton]

All updated, bar 9, which was too long for PeerTube's preset character limit. I guess, these can be added as comments.

[Strato]

All updated, bar 9, which was too long for PeerTube's preset character limit. I guess, these can be added as comments.

Thank you.

9 is full of great debate. Could attempt to slim down summaries in 9 once I know character limit, and resubmit here. Let me know limit anyway for future reference. Meanwhile, I have started next tranche: 11 through 15.

[Jim Burton]

Video description cannot be more than 10000 characters long.

Sysadmin says there is no parameter to change that.