Whatever, I'll address your points anyway, just to illustrate your unreasonableness and inability to recognise your own confirmation bias.
stropa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:00 pm
I didn't say they were fake I said there's a stronger possibility of them not ensuring that they are real. If any person can just make a post and submit it to them, the chances of that person being a pedophile are higher than normal. How can they ensure they aren't pedophiles? They can't.
I read your last post and it's a joke. B4U-ACT is not a well-respected or reputable organization. It's a thinly veiled initiative at gaining social acceptance for pedophiles. Their "researchers" are suspect. We all know it. Quit pretending not to. Nobody in the scientific community respects them. Even if you claim they do "rigorous peer review" (which you are just claiming and havent privided a shred of evidence for). There are many reasons why I don't trust them and I don't care what you have to say on this.
First, unless you have the evidence to back up your assumption, then there's no point in holding onto that assumption, especially as the people submitting said testimonies are often interviewed by the compilers, these testimonies aren't just accepted at face-value. But nonetheless, I'll concede that point on how anonymous accounts aren't verifiable. And I'll also say that such testimonies (especially the ones you request of, where the minor in question was a heterosexual who had a same-sex relationship, or vice versa) is very rare and quite scarce, especially as heterosexuals are unlikely to engage in casual homosexuality, certainly not in the present. But, the stigma surrounding adult-child sex and the attacks against former AAMs who attest to positive experiences with adults does mean that, ultimately, most submitted accounts are going to be anonymous whether you like it or not.
And who would be willing to accept these testimonies?
Also, your standards (i.e., heterosexual minors having gay sex with adults, or vice versa) apart from disqualifying many testimonies (authenticated or not) are unreasonable as their sexuality doesn't imply that their accounts are going to be less biased, so you're going with an unproven assumption.
Second, B4U-Act is indeed a reputable organisation. Does it get accused of being a covert pro-MAP acceptance operation? Yes, but such accusations don't diminish its professionalism, especially as it not only publishes its own peer-reviewed studies, but its research also gets cited by numerous journals related to psychology, as shown in Google Scholar:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... B4U-Act%22
So quit it with your act.
Yeah, I'm allowed to speculate. And I said I'll accept that one.
Then you won't have issues accepting this one either, involving a 12-year-old girl:
https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/aragon/ ... 87967.html
Nice strawman. Never said it can never be true, I simply don't trust it if it can only be found on a pedophile website.
It's not really a straw man when you keep saying stuff like this, is it?:
Those are pro-pedophile resources. I don't care about your excuses
There are many reasons why I don't trust them and I don't care what you have to say on this
I am not convinced that these sources come from reliable and non-biased places. So I will continue to reject them until proven otherwise.
I even explained why Consenting Juveniles is a reputable source. Not my problem if you can't trust it.
I'll trust that source a little more since it comes from businessinsider, and Alanis Morissette is a public figure and the quote can be cross-referenced. But nice try.
I'm not sure what you mean by "nice try", but meh...
I'll reiterate some of what I previously said, and then give some evidence that can be cross-referenced:
You must understand that, because of societal stigma and, in many places, historical censorship, AAM individuals have often relied on advocacy organizations to document and preserve their stories. These groups (such as Newgon, Consenting Juveniles, IPCE, etc...) fill an essential gap by providing a safe platform for adult-attracted minors and minor-attracted people to share personal experiences without fear of discrimination. Mainstream sources, on the other hand, often avoid delving into personal testimonies around sensitive topics, not because these stories are untrue, but because they haven’t focused on this type of narrative work, whether it's caused by prejudice or otherwise.
It’s also important to remember that MAP rights organizations prioritize sharing these stories to meet a need that other sources don’t address. The goal is to preserve personal experiences, which aren’t necessarily biased but reflect real, lived events. If these testimonies are well-documented, diverse, and consistent with larger patterns found in neutral studies, dismissing them solely because of where they’re published can mean overlooking important, authentic experiences.
There are also personal accounts from allies, such as parents or friends of former adult-attracted minors, and even public figures who’ve shared positive stories in more mainstream media outlets. These testimonies help show that positive adult-minor intimate/platonic/romantic experiences are widespread and valued beyond MAP rights circles. An example would be the story of George Takei, who often recounts his positive experience with a camp counsellor when he was 13/14 years old, but only within the context of LGBTQ+ advocacy rather than MAP advocacy.
Finally, I’d encourage us to look at the content of these testimonies themselves. Consistent stories from different people and contexts are valuable regardless of who documents them. If testimonies from MAP-AAM advocacy sites are detailed, diverse, and reflect common themes, this indicates their reliability and gives us a genuine window into people’s lives.
One of the most reliable sources of testimonies in texts format would be the compilation made by T. Rivas in the form of "Positive Memories", where well over a 100 of both authenticated and anonymous testimonies are compiled. Here's one of the excerpts from an authenticated source:
BM-39 – Joop
Authenticated
Joop (about 36 years old) sent several letters to Rivas in 1996 and 1997 and spoke with him on the phone. Joop is a bisexually oriented man, but sees no relation to what he experienced as a child.
Here are some excerpts of what he told Rivas
“It was June 1973; I had just turned thirteen, when I got to know Jos. He had just moved to G., and he lived in a flat near to our home. After school, I used to play soccer with some friends and that's how I met Jos. We starting talking, and after a few weeks he asked me if I wanted to visit him some time. I did.
We developed a relationship in which I received a lot of love and attention.
After a while we went to town together and bought records and cloths and we went to a restaurant. I often spent the night with him. Jos was a father, friend and brother for me, all at the same time.
It took about half a year before we first had a shower together, followed by sex. I guess it was in the Autumn of 1973 when we first slept with each other. Due to my age I was inclined to some experimentation, but Jos did not rush anything. He explained what I had to do and how I could reach an orgasm. In a way, he tried to enlighten me about sex, rather than just doing it with me. Jos never went too far; if there was something I did not want to do, he stopped immediately.
The love this man gave me, the feeling of being loved, was such an overwhelming, beautiful thing. He had a sincere interest in what I did at school and in my hobbies, such as soccer.
The relationship lasted for 4 years.
It was left to me when I visited him and how often. It could happen that I went to see him four times a week, but it was no problem if I stayed away for a while. He understood that I was still a kid, and he gave me enough space to stay a kid. He understood that my friendships with peers were at least as important for me.
Jos was a sweet, tender man. He often took me on his lap and kissed me and that's how I felt he really loved me. He didn't often use words to express his love for me, though he did affectionately call me his little soccer player.
I learnt a lot from him and it was a real shame that he died at an early age.
I think parents have the right to get to know their child's adult friend, but it should be up to the child whether he wants to see someone or not.”
The Newgon site that you unreasonable love to dismiss also contains anonymous testimonies that were first published in other sites or publications, such this testimony of man-girl love from an old European magazine for gay and bisexual people:
Hilde Dillen, a Belgian writer May-June 1997
In Zizo, a magazine for gay and bisexual men and women, Mark Sargeant published an article entitled ‘Ik rouw van jou - Jeugdschrijfster Hilde Dillen’. A few quotes from Hilde Dillen: 'At first I had intended to write about a very beautiful love relationship I used to have with a man who was 17 years older when I was a child of 13-14. But I think one should not be too revealing about such things, because it won't do you any good and it won't do your book any good either.' 'There's a lot of personal stuff in this work, based on my own life as a child and as a developing adult. Because of the relationship I experienced some situations in which I was dissected and rejected, at school, in your immediate environment... I think it is good for parents to realise that 12- to 13-year-old teenagers - who are supposed to be neither children nor adults - can sometimes be very intensively involved in erotic relations.'
https://web.archive.org/web/20200927083 ... dillen.htm
Anyway, you can look them up if you want to, the means are already there. Be warned that these testimonies are going to be quite scarse and, as "child sexual exploitation material" is one of the very few things big tech will take seriously, online video testimonies will often get deleted and if not, disperse into the sands of time, but not before pro-MAP orgs decide to publish them if they see it as worthy. And it's only thanks to those pro-MAP orgs like Newgon and the IPCE that what remains of these accounts are available on the clearnet in the first place.
