I don't understand modern MAPs

[HumanBeing]

Honestly, I don't even know how to begin this text I feel so frustrated that I'm struggling to write.

I've been in various online MAP communities since 2021. I've worked hard to get the MAP community to unite and begin organizing as a real activist community (because online "activism" has already proven to be useless if it's not accompanied by serious and committed activists, who are the minority here).

I myself wish to be able to do real activism for the MAP community, but seeing how you abandon and forget real activists who are committed to truly doing something for you, I prefer to do nothing.

Why put in the effort to write or do anything? Only for you to abandon me when I need your help the most?

You say you want to be free, but you refuse to defend those who sacrifice their lives to achieve that common goal. If you're unable to do anything to be free, then accept your oppression.

[Fragment]

Are there any specific things you’re referring to?

I don’t think “online” is necessarily a problem, but it has to be externally focused. MAP activism that only reaches other MAPs has limited scope.

[HumanBeing]

Are there any specific things you’re referring to?

I don’t think “online” is necessarily a problem, but it has to be externally focused. MAP activism that only reaches other MAPs has limited scope.

I'm mainly referring to the abandonment of real-life activists, Marthijn and Nelson are in prison without trial or evidence against them but I haven't see any initiative to help them in MAP spaces, I even asked for help to set up a Monero wallet for Nelson but seems that nobody cares about him or other real-life activists.

Online initiatives are fine, what I mean is that without real-life activism online activism is useless to change real-life situations (such as laws and social view of MAPs) online initiatives can only work to reunite us as MAP Spaces and to plan initiatives.

About the limited scope of MAP-targeted activism I can only say that If we can't unite among ourselves as an efficient MAP community/lobby, how can we expect people outside the community to help us?.

[Fragment]

I think that if it were a case of American activists being arrested in an American prison you might see a lot more support.

One of real life activism's main strengths is the bonds it builds between people. Local community groups.

"I did real life activism in another country and now I'm locked up in a third country (without a strong rule of law)- help" is a hard sell for a lot of people, I think.

I'm not sure, but perhaps you might also be seeing a different reaction if they'd stayed and let themselves get arrested in the Netherlands instead of a corrupt developing country.

Just my thoughts regarding that (though that whole situation went down before I was around).


Online activism can include sending press releases to news outlets, emails to politicians, doing public interviews with YouTubers or media outlets. I think those are things that can change real life situations. Externally focused activism, whether online or in-person, is what is needed.

[HumanBeing]

I think that if it were a case of American activists being arrested in an American prison you might see a lot more support.

One of real life activism's main strengths is the bonds it builds between people. Local community groups.

"I did real life activism in another country and now I'm locked up in a third country (without a strong rule of law)- help" is a hard sell for a lot of people, I think.

I'm not sure, but perhaps you might also be seeing a different reaction if they'd stayed and let themselves get arrested in the Netherlands instead of a corrupt developing country.

Just my thoughts regarding that (though that whole situation went down before I was around).


Online activism can include sending press releases to news outlets, emails to politicians, doing public interviews with YouTubers or media outlets. I think those are things that can change real life situations. Externally focused activism, whether online or in-person, is what is needed.

Yeah going to a corrupt third-world country was a big error but even so I don't think that's a good reason to just let them rot there, we should help them at least a bit trying to expose their cases in social media and newspapers or donating a few dollars for them to make sure they don't get too ill because of the prison conditions.

I haven't see any interest in helping them with at least with an anon post in social media to rise awareness about their cases, that's something I still don't understand

[Fragment]

If I hadn't drained all my savings trying to fight my own case and if I wasn't facing my own prison time, I like to think I'd help out.

Japanese prisons are their own kind of robotic hell, but at least they are safe and hygienic.


Maybe someone who knows the background could go on an episode of BL Talk and have a panel discussion about the situation and what can be done to help?

The older audience listening is more likely to be able to help, I'd think.

[HumanBeing]

If I hadn't drained all my savings trying to fight my own case and if I wasn't facing my own prison time, I like to think I'd help out.

Japanese prisons are their own kind of robotic hell, but at least they are safe and hygienic.


Maybe someone who knows the background could go on an episode of BL Talk and have a panel discussion about the situation and what can be done to help?

The older audience listening is more likely to be able to help, I'd think.

Don't worry for it, I understand that in your current situation donating any money is not an option.

I personally think I can give an interesting interview for BL Talk or other MAP media, although I should make a new FST channel too and reupload some of the videos I uploaded, I have GBs of (Legal) MAP-related info that I want to share but I was not sure about using FST again until now

[Jim Burton]

There might be something to be said for the idea that a few individuals doing something will encourage others to take it to the next level. That might even be making podcasts and basic signalling.

We need to attract the high quality individuals. We fail because the high quality individuals come to an informed decision that it isn't worth the risk.

[Outis]

One issue I think is that there are people doing activism in various forms but there's very little visibility of what people are doing.

I'm an activist myself and have a few projects on the go and I've talked a lot about the value of in person meetings and activism. For some projects I'm collaborating with one or two people, for others I'm working alone. I suspect there are others like me working on their own initiatives, but very few people see my work and I see very little of others.

I've discussed funds with a few people and it's something I will setting up and supporting over the coming months, it's just about having the time since I try to avoid jumping too much between projects. But if you need help with specific things I'm sure I and others would look at them and support them if they fit our own activism.

It's kind of strange that Mu is a forum packed with activists and discussions and I'm sure there's a lot of work going on, but it still feels mostly invisible.

[HumanBeing]

One issue I think is that there are people doing activism in various forms but there's very little visibility of what people are doing.

I'm an activist myself and have a few projects on the go and I've talked a lot about the value of in person meetings and activism. For some projects I'm collaborating with one or two people, for others I'm working alone. I suspect there are others like me working on their own initiatives, but very few people see my work and I see very little of others.

I've discussed funds with a few people and it's something I will setting up and supporting over the coming months, it's just about having the time since I try to avoid jumping too much between projects. But if you need help with specific things I'm sure I and others would look at them and support them if they fit our own activism.

It's kind of strange that Mu is a forum packed with activists and discussions and I'm sure there's a lot of work going on, but it still feels mostly invisible.

Yeah that's also true, we need more visibility between our fellow MAPs, that's were MAP online initiatives fits the most I think.