The anti-contact identity as peformance

[PorcelainLark]

That's a hopeful thought, but I just feel like the hatred against us has grown so deep and spread so far that even these few specs of temporary support don't feel like they've gotten us any closer to being treated any better.

Certainly, things have gotten progressively worse for MAPs, since the 1970s.

For every Camille Paglia or Barbra Streisand, there is a hundred Mutahar or Nuxtaku's, or even worse in regards to those who gather information on and even hack MAPs accounts to doxx them.

Mutahar is that guy who does videos about the dark web and Nuxtaku is anime Youtuber, right? Given their respective topics, I think most people would be suspicious if they didn't make statements condemning MAPs. Anime Youtubers that have built up their reputation on condemning and chasing off lolicons/shotacons, are scumbags in my opinion. That's what's appealing about anime from a Western perspective: it can tackle subjects that we're not able to talk about. I'm more comfortable with sweaty neckbeards than these theater kids who got into anime and changed it from a hobby for outsiders to a hobby for "outsiders". I'm not saying every transgender anime fan is a terrible person, but it really does feel like the majority of trans people kicked the ladder out from underneath them as soon as they saw an opportunity to get integrated into mainstream society.

Maybe I'm more in the internet side of things so my understanding of how this issue is tackled in real life is lacking, but I feel like the internet is being so incredible hostile, yet strangely hypocritical, about pedophilia, even of the cartoon variety, that the hatred of us overshadows any sort of neutrality or support we might have in either "realm".

It's overpopulated by Zoomers obsessed with drama. Sooner or later, they'll stop caring so much about what other people think about them. Once the dust has settled, they'll be able to reflect on their own experiences with lolicon and "grooming" (also, virtually any minor can catfish an adult into a relationship if they want to anyway via the internet, so the total number of intergenerational relationships has probably massively grown). I think once they stop caring what their peers think of them, they'll have to admit this stuff isn't a big deal.

Sure, there's the hope that most people are faking their outrage for ulterior reasons or have just not done enough introspection or realize how unreasonable they're being, maybe the prevalence of lolicon and lolis in media in general and how many people respond positively to it is a good indication that a lot of this overt hatred is a blown-up balloon made to look big and scary when it's actually just a loud minority, but that doesn't change the fact that there are intense laws that are strictly enforced against acting on these feelings in most countries, and basically nobody ever expresses sympathy for MAPs who are caught committing such crimes.

I'm convinced it's peer pressure. I feel like if humanity doesn't get over the mob mentality, it's not just MAPs that are going to suffer. The whole world is doomed. People have forgotten what it means to actually believe in something, as opposed to just trying to say the thing you think people want you to say.

I'd love to be so hopeful that the world is just one mask-slip away form being pro-MAP and that most people are at least neutral about pedophilia under the thin veil of hatred perpetuated by a small minority of weirdly influential hatemongers, but I cant bring myself to give in to that hope. I'm just too afraid of being devastatingly disappointed.

I feel you might be giving people too much credit, people are often fickle and shallow. If the CSA industry starts fragmenting, all it would take is some popular celebrity to come out as MAP, and society could change over night. I have no idea how you start that process though.

The way I see it, the CSA industry is kind of like the Communist party: inflexible, authoritarian, and with a strict party line. Any internal conflict puts the whole thing at risk. It can't integrate genuine feedback, hence why things like Rind et al. get swept under the rug. Even to the point that they'll attack MAPs that want to stay on the right side of the law, since it contradicts the idea of the MAP as an uncontrollable menace to society (a necessary myth for their existence). A bottom-up approach to sexual norms, would mean letting individuals, families, and communities decide for themselves whether this an accurate picture. There's no way, for example, every small community would always object to 25 year old marrying a 16 year old.
That's what democracy and self-governance entails; that people learn to pay attention to their own experience again instead of having their beliefs handed down to them from on high. It's not just that the CSA industry opposes our interests, there is a lack of transparency about how it reaches it's conclusions. For example, where is the evidence that PIM is a multibillion dollar industry? It's impossible to find how they reached that figure.

[G@yWad43]

Completely agree that its mainly performance. All you have to do is start questioning them and their “anti contact” identity reveals itself.

“ALL SEXUAL CONTACT BETWEEN MINORS AND ADULTS IS EVIL AND TRAUMATIC NO MATTER WHAT AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED WITH THE HARSHEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.”

“Even 18 and 17?”

“Well no, not that”

“Even 19 and 17?”

“No I guess not”

“Even a 19 year old and their 16 year old classmate who theyve been dating since elementary school? Should he be murdered before hes even old enough to drink over a 30 month age gap?”

“I guess thats not bad”

“Do you think that any “victim” would be happy to know that they are responsible for the state sanctioned murder of someone who they loved, cared, and trusted over a brief and willing sexual encounter? Do you genuinely think that benefits the victim psychologically in any way, shape or form? Is sex really worse than death itself?”

“Well I suppose not”

“Do you think a high-school senior should face decades of detainment and be permanently put on the SO registry for kissing a willing freshman?”

“I suppose that is kind of ridiculous”

“Do you think an intellectually disabled adult with down syndrome should be tortured and murdered over a sexual encounter with a teenager that has a higher iq than them? Is prison or murder always necessary and is the adult always the abuser? Even in the case of adults who are so developmentally stunted that they cant talk and need help tying their shoes being coerced into sex by horny teenagers? Does he deserve the firing squad, iq of 40 or not?”

“That is a little cruel I guess”

“Do you think a man with a life and family should be executed like a common dog over sucking some teenagers dick? Is a sloppy toppy really so abusive and traumatic that it warrants literal death?”

“Maybe not”

“Do you really think that ass eating or a handjob is so inherently evil and traumatic, even compared to acts like beating children or neglecting babies that it deserves death?”

“Well when you put it like that I sound fucking stupid”