The notion of MAPs as sadists

[BLueRibbon]

One of the key takeaways from the PIE podcasts was that MAPs are seen as absolute sadists by society in general. Everything a MAP does is viewed through this lens.

Kindness to children is grooming them. Kindness to adults is manipulating them. Any niceness must have an evil motive.

MAPs only make friends with other MAPs so we can work together to target children. Why wouldn't we just make friends with 'normal people' and pretend to be attracted to adults? Oh wait, that would be an act of deceit, another example of MAP evil!

The goal is to inflict harm and pain on children, not to experience love or even just sexual release. Abuse is something MAPs revel in, constantly fantasizing about children screaming in agony.

Nothing a MAP ever does is anything more than part of a sadistic ploy to hurt children in the worst ways possible.

Where does this notion come from? How can we fight against it?

[Lightie Twinkle]

I think it is mostly for how media depicts us, so if someone wants to know about MAPs what are they gonna see is the depiction of people who has misunderstood MAPs.

I think one way would be story-telling from a MAP-Right perspective which could only be done by someone who has experienced it first hand. Movies might be hard since most producer would not accept it at the time but maybe written stories which don't have many restrictions. I've been thinking about that for a while.

[Julia]

It's quite unfortunate that society has this mistaken impression of us. I have some ideas about the reasons why and what we can do about it. I have considerable experience in influencing large groups of people. I'd be happy to discuss this further, though I would prefer to do so over a private channel, one strategist to another.

[PorcelainLark]

I think it's the result of cognitive dissonance. Since non-coercive, gentle, kind relationships between MAPs and minors are possible, it undermines the view that there's something wrong with AMSC. So people have to imagine and invent reasons why such relationships are always sinister, otherwise they would have to abandon the belief that AMSC is wrong, which would put them in conflict with the majority of society.

It doesn't help that the only public representation of MAPs for most people is sensationalized crimes in the news and in dramas, so the only picture they have of a MAP is a psychopath.

[FairBlueLove]

One of the key takeaways from the PIE podcasts was that MAPs are seen as absolute sadists by society in general. Everything a MAP does is viewed through this lens.

Kindness to children is grooming them. Kindness to adults is manipulating them. Any niceness must have an evil motive.

MAPs only make friends with other MAPs so we can work together to target children. Why wouldn't we just make friends with 'normal people' and pretend to be attracted to adults? Oh wait, that would be an act of deceit, another example of MAP evil!

The goal is to inflict harm and pain on children, not to experience love or even just sexual release. Abuse is something MAPs revel in, constantly fantasizing about children screaming in agony.

Nothing a MAP ever does is anything more than part of a sadistic ploy to hurt children in the worst ways possible.

Where does this notion come from? How can we fight against it?

Does the italicized portion serve as a summary, or are these words quoted directly?

[BLueRibbon]

One of the key takeaways from the PIE podcasts was that MAPs are seen as absolute sadists by society in general. Everything a MAP does is viewed through this lens.

Kindness to children is grooming them. Kindness to adults is manipulating them. Any niceness must have an evil motive.

MAPs only make friends with other MAPs so we can work together to target children. Why wouldn't we just make friends with 'normal people' and pretend to be attracted to adults? Oh wait, that would be an act of deceit, another example of MAP evil!

The goal is to inflict harm and pain on children, not to experience love or even just sexual release. Abuse is something MAPs revel in, constantly fantasizing about children screaming in agony.

Nothing a MAP ever does is anything more than part of a sadistic ploy to hurt children in the worst ways possible.

Where does this notion come from? How can we fight against it?

Does the italicized portion serve as a summary, or are these words quoted directly?

It's supposed to separate society's 'thoughts' from mine.

[Fragment]

Here's a scene from the episode of Law and Order: SVU - Angels

Stabler (cop): [to Massey] What am I, an idiot? Come on. You killed Jansen.
Dr. Walt Massey (MAP): He ruined it for everybody. I had to make sure he'd never hurt another little boy again.
Stabler: And I'm gonna make sure that you never do, either. You're under arrest for the murder of Jansen and for sexually abusing your son.
Dr. Massey: [jumps up from his seat] No! No, I didn't force Shawny. He seduced me. How could I deny him? I never beat him like Jansen beat his boys. It's not the same thing!
Stabler: No, it's worse. You have sex with your stepson and you don't think there's anything wrong with that? What kind of sick bastard are you?

According to the writers of SVU it is worse to having tender, gentle sex with your SYF than to beat them into having sex.

What kind of fucked up messaging is that?

[Black Mirror]

It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. In a cynical way, all humans are sadistic for subjecting their children to suffering by bringing them into existence, but since beauty can manifest through that suffering, we collectively tolerate life regardless. I don't intend to argue with someone who perceives me as the enemy because they are only projecting their hate onto a black mirror.

[Fragment]

In the court proceedings I'm going through, one father in his statement said the following line. Probably one of the most hurtful things that someone has ever said to be, simply because of how it is exactly the opposite of how I actually am.

I realized you had been engaged in grooming before these events to satisfy your own need for control.

I had been writing an apology letter to K, until my lawyer advised me that his parents have "no interest whatsoever in accepting any kind of letter". Regarding the above statement I planned to say something like the following.

I understand that in retrospect, your father might see my actions as grooming. When I invited students to join the speech club I was in charge of, at first you couldn’t join because you were doing another sport. But you really wanted to join, so I tried to find ways you could join. Your first choice was the science club, I tried to talk to teachers so they’d let you join. When that didn’t work I suggested 3-4 other sports clubs that didn't clash with my club. In the end you decided on the other club I was involved in, and honestly I was surprised. It's an activity with a lot of expenses and your parents had already spent a lot of money on your uniform so I felt responsible. I loaned you some of my equipment so your parents’ costs would be reduced. Maybe this looks like “special treatment”. Maybe this looks like "grooming".

You became very closely linked to me. You saw me for class 3 times/ week. You saw me for club (since you were in both of mine) 4 times/ week. Our free days were the same too, so when I wandered the classrooms after school chatting to students, we often spoke. I taught you about language, philosophy and my country. You taught me about trains and insects. On weekends we often had a club activities. Even in the holidays our two clubs met often and we spent a lot of time together. We connected by SNS to talk about strategy for the speech tournaments. But I didn’t act as a professional teacher, so we also talked about our daily lives. But K, your dad, from a distance, may see this as grooming. He said I had a “need for control”. I can understand why he may think so. But you know me, you know I always tried to empower students to make their own decisions. When students quit clubs and join a different club, some teachers get angry or refuse the student’s choice. When students quit my club, I never challenged their decision- I cheered them on and told them to do their best in their new club. Them making their own decision was the most important thing to me. I have always believed junior high school students are “small adults, not children”, it was never about control.

Good intentions don't excuse harm when it happens. But even our (misguided) good intentions aren't granted. Maliciousness is seen in our every action. The actual reason I let me guard down and broke the law was because I saw this 13 year old boy as my equal. I had worked so hard to lift my students up that I no longer saw them as people I had a right to tell what to do. As a result I also assumed he could easily refuse me when it came to anything. That doesn't make my actions any more justified or any less criminal. But it should make them be seen as less malicious.

But his father, and even the judge, somehow see the exact opposite. They see me as someone that used my power to put weak little children under my grip so they were too scared to say "no". And that hurts so much, because my every day as a teacher was about trying to do the opposite. Even, where I could, undermining the teachers that were authoritarians.

[Outis]

I think the only way is to push back whenever we see this.
In social media, in the press, in conversation. You know research is on our side here, the more I read and look at what research and academics understand to be pedophilia the more I see just how different it is to how the media and public see it. Fight misunderstanding with facts.