Roman Polanski

[mrlolicon93]

So awhile back i made a post on here called Compassion for the child molester in which i asked a very controversial and heavy question that question being would you have sympathy or empathy for a map who molested/sexually forced themselves onto a child if they genuinely feel bad about what they have done and regret their actions?

https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=5475&hili

The original post was just a straight forward question but i later edited it to add more context bringing up Humbert from Lolita as the inspiration behind the post.

I asked this question as in the Lolita novel the characters are all flawed people including Lolita herself in some parts of the book Humbert and Dolores Haze have consensual sex and she is a willing participant and enjoys it but in other parts of the book Humbert rapes her and she cries and clearly doesn't enjoy it which makes the relationship in the novel flawed and complexed.

It seemed the response to my post was mixed some said yes others said no and gave their reasons why but.... now i wanna use a real life example so.... what about Polanski?

Polanski is obviously a map he even admits he likes younger girls but with his situation there seems to be a lot of he said she said going on Roman says it was completely consensual while Samantha Geimer says it wasn't.

Regardless Samantha has made it very clear that although she was abused she does not feel traumatized by what Roman did to her and was instead traumatized by the media making her out to be a poor helpless victim and painting Roman as a monster she even said she didn't want him to go to jail.

She has also, made it clear that she forgave him a long time ago and that she wants everyone to move on and to stop vilifying Roman.

So the question here is what are your thoughts on Roman Polanski?

Do you think he deserves forgiveness?

Should people continue to throw stones or does Samantha have a point?

[Not Forever]

Personally, I believe it depends on context, and perhaps this reveals some selfishness on my part. If someone I knew and considered a friend harassed another person, my view of them wouldn't shift; I'd still feel compassion toward them. I don't change my opinion of a person because of a mistake they made, no matter how serious, until they betray my trust.

However, I don't feel compassion for strangers unless they're suffering an unjust punishment, and in my opinion, media lynching shouldn't be tolerated. For justice, there are laws, courts, and law enforcement - the public shouldn't get involved. So for this person, I spontaneously feel compassion every time a film critic, or someone claiming to be one, makes a video against them or attacks their work just because of what they did in their private life. So... well, often, on my YouTube, a few people appear every year who go hunting for rapist artists, or alleged ones, to put them in the public pillory.

And if even the victim no longer feels like a victim, bringing up the topic is even more in bad taste.

[PorcelainLark]

Well, if the victim doesn't feel any restitution is needed, what is Polanski's moral obligation? For comparison, if you said someone stole from you, but you didn't care, what should the role of the court be in that situation? The goal should be to correct what he did wrong, but it seems aspects of the media were more interested in making a spectacle of it.

[mrlolicon93]

Personally, I believe it depends on context, and perhaps this reveals some selfishness on my part. If someone I knew and considered a friend harassed another person, my view of them wouldn't shift; I'd still feel compassion toward them. I don't change my opinion of a person because of a mistake they made, no matter how serious, until they betray my trust.

However, I don't feel compassion for strangers unless they're suffering an unjust punishment, and in my opinion, media lynching shouldn't be tolerated. For justice, there are laws, courts, and law enforcement - the public shouldn't get involved. So for this person, I spontaneously feel compassion every time a film critic, or someone claiming to be one, makes a video against them or attacks their work just because of what they did in their private life. So... well, often, on my YouTube, a few people appear every year who go hunting for rapist artists, or alleged ones, to put them in the public pillory.

And if even the victim no longer feels like a victim, bringing up the topic is even more in bad taste.

Great post you make good points.

[mrlolicon93]

Well, if the victim doesn't feel any restitution is needed, what is Polanski's moral obligation? For comparison, if you said someone stole from you, but you didn't care, what should the role of the court be in that situation? The goal should be to correct what he did wrong, but it seems aspects of the media were more interested in making a spectacle of it.

Yep that's exactly the case.

[Valerian]

"Child molestation" is an extremely loaded term. The word "molestation" by its nature implies a form of physical aggression—typically causing pain, injury, or trauma, as in an animal or human attack. Yet, the vast majority of what is legally and publicly labeled as "child molestation" is non-sexual in nature. More importantly, when the term is used in the context of adult-child sexual interactions—commonly referred to as "pedophilia"—it serves to deliberately mislead public perception by suggesting that such interactions necessarily involve physical violence, injury, or coercion. This conflation obscures any distinction between violent sexual assault and consensual, non-violent encounters, however controversial or unacceptable those may be in moral or legal terms. The term does not differentiate between a loving, consensual relationship and a physically violent sexual attack, whether committed by an adult or another child. For this reason, individuals who identify as MAPs (Minor-Attracted Persons) should reject the use of this term, as it contradicts their stated ideals and reinforces the media-driven portrayal of them as inherently predatory."

[mrlolicon93]

"Child molestation" is an extremely loaded term. The word "molestation" by its nature implies a form of physical aggression—typically causing pain, injury, or trauma, as in an animal or human attack. Yet, the vast majority of what is legally and publicly labeled as "child molestation" is non-sexual in nature. More importantly, when the term is used in the context of adult-child sexual interactions—commonly referred to as "pedophilia"—it serves to deliberately mislead public perception by suggesting that such interactions necessarily involve physical violence, injury, or coercion. This conflation obscures any distinction between violent sexual assault and consensual, non-violent encounters, however controversial or unacceptable those may be in moral or legal terms. The term does not differentiate between a loving, consensual relationship and a physically violent sexual attack, whether committed by an adult or another child. For this reason, individuals who identify as MAPs (Minor-Attracted Persons) should reject the use of this term, as it contradicts their stated ideals and reinforces the media-driven portrayal of them as inherently predatory."

I completely agree with you.

[Valerian]

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I completely agree with you.

Thank you for the encouragement.

[PorcelainLark]

Just to be clear about the accusations in this case:

Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a Quaalude, and despite her protests, he performed oral sex on her, and penetrated her both vaginally and anally, each time after being told "no" and being asked to stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Pol ... #Rape_case

It wasn't an example of AMSC where the minor assented.

[mrlolicon93]

Just to be clear about the accusations in this case:

Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a Quaalude, and despite her protests, he performed oral sex on her, and penetrated her both vaginally and anally, each time after being told "no" and being asked to stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Pol ... #Rape_case

It wasn't an example of AMSC where the minor assented.

Correct.