The defintion of rape/sexual abuse/assualt/harrasment getting more and more broad

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G@yWad69

The defintion of rape/sexual abuse/assualt/harrasment getting more and more broad

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In a perfect world, sex laws wouldnt even exist. If your force yourself onto someone you would get charged with battery, and if you dont everyone lives their lives and moves on. But the way modern day sex laws are and continue to go, I wouldnt be suprised if it gets to the point where functionally all sex, outside of straight sex for procreation in the missionary position between a married couple born the exact same year of the exact same race and economic class and neurotype and physical and mental health status after signing numerous goverment issued “consent” contracts would be outlawed completely or heavily socially frowned upon. Heres some of the ridiculousness of sex laws down below.

Statutory rape-two mutually willing parties have sexual contact without any force, violence, or coercion, but it is automatically “rape” and your consent is ignored by the goverment/antis, not because there was any force or violence, but because the other party was, get this, BORN BEFORE YOU?!

They will claim that it is because of “the power dynamic” but they have absolutely zero problem with the minor-adult power dynamic in every other part of your life, and even encourage it because “a child needs an adult in their life to guide them.” The also have zero problem with “the power dynamic” when it comes to punishment, and will gladly throw your underaged ass behind bars and on the SO regristry yourself if you piss them off, because of course, giving minors pleasure is to evil and complicated, but punishing minors and causing them pain is to be encouraged ao that they will be well disciplined.

Not to mention, despite whining about “the power dynamic”, the main problem antis have is the LACK of a power dynamic, bitching about how MAPs treat their partners as equals and dont enforce strict rules on the child like other adults do.

They also complain about you not being able to “understand” sex with adults, because you can somehow magically understand sticking your dick in a teenage girls mouth, but dont understand the complicated and highly complex intellect of sticking your dick in an adult womans mouth, and if you get a blowjob from her evil life destroying mouth even a day before 18, you will be scarred forever and permanently traumatized even if you show absolutely zero signs or symptoms of “trauma”, let alone LIFE DESTROYING PERMANENTLY RUINING TRAUMA THAT YOU CAN NEVER RECOVER FROM, and go on to lead a perfectly happy and normal life. Dont worry though, on midnight of your 18th birthday, overnight, over the span of literal seconds as the clock strikes 12, you will magically understand the highly complex, sophisticated, mature, intellectually stimulating, act of shoving your dick in an adult womans mouth.

As a minor, no matter how much sexual expiernce and education you have, you will still know and understand less than the 40 year old virgin who doesnt even know where the clit is.

They will complain about “informed consent”, but then refuse to inform you and punish anyone who tries to inform you, then complain that you arent informed.

They will complain that a natural biological act, so base, so natural, so simple and easy to understand that even fucking insects and rats and shit can figure out how to do it and relatively safely at that, is somehow so complicated that even a 17 year old a week away from 18 taking college level courses has no idea what is happening.

That teens are innocent children who have no idea what is going on sexually and cant be held accountable for any of their actions if it is sexual, let alone consent, unless they have sex with a younger kid, then they are a non human piece of shit that should be tortured or killed.

That pedos hold all the power in “the power dynamic” despite the fact that unlike the adult, the minor can get you imprisoned for decades or make you go homeless and loose all your family/friends/income/possessions or even fucking murdered depending on the laws in your country/the size of the violent mobs and vigallentes. And the accusations dont even have to be true, as you will automatically be believed by the majority simply for being young.

That you are old enough to consent to going to prison for fucking decades but not old enough to consent to getting your balls played with.

That orgasms, no matter how willing, will not only cause trauma, but RUIN YOU FOR LIFE.

That you dont have a sex drive until midnight of your 18th birthday, despite the fact that fetuses in the womb purposefully masturbate to orgasm.

Drunk rape-two mutually willing parties have sexual contact without any force, violence or coercion.

Because somehow, when a drunk person gets behind a wheel and plugs in the keys, or beats you up, or has sex with a minor, they are fully aware of what they are doing and should be held fully accountable for their actions, but when they spread their legs or pulls put their dick, they have no idea what they are doing and cant be held accountable for their actions?!?! Either they know what they are doing enough to be held accountable for their actions, or they arent, but of course, when it comes to the magical and specially dangerous and evil properties of sex, it is rape until proven otherwise, guilty until proven innocent. If you are drunk and your drunk partner sucks your dick it is mutuallly willing and non violent rape, similar to “cocsa” in nature. If your partner only had a sip of beer instead of the full bottle, it is rapey rape, and you magically no longer understand anything at all and have no idea of anything at all and cant be held even remotely responsible for your actions, unless you are also driving, then you absolutely can.

Theres a video on tiktok of a bitch accusing a sleeping, fully unconcious man of sexually assaulting/abusing her. Because apperantly sexual predators are so evil and vile that they can even sexually abuse women while FUCKING UNCONSCIOUS, so even being literally fucking asleep in the peivacy of your own home on your own couch doesnt stop you from being a vile evil rapist victimizing women.

The entire csa industry just runs on money and attention, shit, the entire sexual abuse/rape industry runs on money and attention. You make the rape laws as vague as possible, you get money throwing men in prison over stupid shit, you make money from “victims” after brainwashing them into thinking that they are broken and need decades of therapy, you make money off of regular ass men with “predatory thoughts” by brainwashing them into thinking they need decades of therapy to avoid becoming the next Albert Fish, you make money from all the funding and donations from antis, you make antis by spreading hysteria fueling propaganda non stop on every news and media source, which also makes you money, you spend money getting “profressionals” to cherry pick “evidence” of life destroying blowjob trauma, which not only makes them money, but makes you even more money. Its such an easily explotibale hysteria, since minor attraction and minor adult sex and youth sexuality are just common enough to have an endless stream of prisoners and “victims” to make money off of, but just easily hidden enough/rare enough to be able to start a fun witch hunt for the antis to participate in. Every single aspect of this is financially motivated at the very root, from victim payouts to prisoner census to therapy bills.

Its also very telling that most “csa” “victims” main complaint is never, “I was terrified” “I felt forced” “I didnt agree to it and didnt enjoy it”. But “when I grew up I felt ashamed because everyone kept shaming our relationship”

Aint that some shit? During the actual “abuse” you suffered no violence or cruelty, no pain or terror, and even actively enjoyed or partcipated in it. But later on, after years or decades of society telling you that you are permanently broken, that your life has no meaning, that your life is over and that you would be better of dead than suffer such a cruel fate as mutual masturbation or titty fondling, that you suddenly feel “traumatized” and conclude it MUST be bad and MUST be abuse. Not because anything about your actual relationship was traumatizing, but society has traumatized you into being traumatized. Its bad because its adult minor sex, why is adult minor sex bad? Because everyone tells me its bad, so it must be. Clearly the trauma could not have come from your parents hysterically breaking down and acting as if you getting your pussy ate is worse than getting fucking shot, clearly the trauma could not have come from the hours long police interviews spanning weeks, months, even years, getting relentlessly interrogated and having your expiernces and feelings denied(unless you subscribe to the child orgasm=death narritive), getting medically “examined” to check for “csa”, which ironically enough, unlike your actual “abuse” is done entirely without your agreement. Being forced by your parents through years of therapy where you are repeatedly told that getting your pussy ate means you will have life long scars that you can never fully recover from. Having everyone threaten to murder and torture your loving older partner in explicit and cruel detail, a man(or woman) who has been nothing but kind to you. And constantly hearing hushed whispers at school about how you have somehow suffered a fate worse than the worst car crash, the most violent war, the most painful torture, because you willingly spread your legs. Nope, thats IMPOSSIBLE, clearly your emotional pain is caused by getting your underaged pussy ate by evil and traumatizing adult mouth.

I also “love” how there is no winning once you have been branded a “csa” survivor.

If you dont like sex, you are clearly terrfied and traumatized because it reminds you of your trauma. If you like sex, you are hypersexual and getting your pussy ate to cope with your trauma(because of course, it is impossible to comprhend that a girl might seek out sexual pleasure after an adult encounter because…get this…she ENJOYED IT and likes getting her pussy ate, no, clearly the orgasm was too scarey and she is just coping with the pain). If you like sex the “normal” amount(which is not at all until midnight of your 18th birthday), then you have a “normal” sex drive DESPITE your trauma.

If you are a pedo, you are automatically a “csa” “victim”. Even if you have no memories of being molested or whatever they call it, you are still a csa victim, brcause there is no POSSIBLE WAY a man might like teenage pussy outside of getting brutually anally penetrated with pipes in his daddys shed by the weird neighbor next door, liking teen pussy and jailbait is clearly a “trauma response” and a form of “coping”. If you are a telio and you watched pornhub back in highschool, you were a regular ass teen boy exploring his sexuality. If you are a pedo who watched pornhub back in highschool, that highly traumatic expierence of bring csa’d via innappropriate exposure to MILF titties and furry yiff porn clearly ruined you for life and made you turn to freshman ass as a coping mechanism for the trauma. Being a victim gets you a special trump card, you can do no wrong, as every evil and terrible action you do is a “trauma response”, any stupid shit you do is “coping”, and anything you say goes, even wihtout any evidence, even if you are just straight up making shit up, because “aS a ViCtIm”(that “aS a VicTiM” shit is so funny, because the always come in on discussions of pedophillia, or honestly anything youth sexuality or male sexuality related. to pull the victim trump card and blatantly make up shit, and no one can question them because “WHY ARE YOU DISCREDITING VICTIMS?!?!”. The average “aS a ViCtIm”comment will go something like. “Pedophiles are human beings who deserve human rights and shouldnt be tortured and gassed to death in mass genocide gas chambers. “Erm, as a victim, if you dont torture and gas pedophiles in nazi germany style concentration camps they will all rape 300 newborn babies each, I know this because my uncle groped my ass one time 15 years ago, which makes me the pedo expert, and if you even try to question my logic you are literally supporting pedophiles and infant rape and hate all victims.”) of course the victim trump card works for everyone EXCEPT pedophiles, as claiming to be a “victim” will just make antis hate you more. “I actually got my dick sucked by an older man when I was 16, but I was already into little girls at 13-“ “YOU EVIL MONSTER!!! HOW COULD YOU SUPPORT CHILD RAPE KNOWING THE TERROR AND PAIN AND SUFFERING YOU WENT THROUGH IN YOUR OWN CHILDHOOD, RAPE IS EVIL AND YOU ARE EVIL FOR SUPPORTING IT” “I actually didnt suffer at all, it was a very pleasurable expierence and I actively sought it out, being non exclusive and all, and if you really claim that all victims should be listened to and no victim should have their expiernce denied, that should also include pedo “victims” and “victims” who enjoyed their expeirence in general and where willing parties who didnt suffer, instead of picking and choosing which “victims” deserve to have a voice based on how much they fit your narrative, and I dont support actual rape, I just dont see why a mutually willing non violent sexual expierence should automatically be donsidered rape just because your partner was born before you-“ “SYBAU PEDO I WONT LISTEN TO YOU AND NO ONE SHOULD AND I HOPE YOU GET BRUTALLY RAPED TO DEATH IN PRISON” “But im a victim?! And you said you hate rape?! Didnt you just say?!?

As a minor, anything and everything is csa. Watching porn is grooming and csa, getting a blowjob from an older partner is grooming and csa, getting a blowjob from a same aged partner is grooming and mutual csa, getting a blowjob from a younger partner is grooming and mutual csa. Wearing sexy clothes is grooming and csa. Having a platonic older friend is grooming and csa. Hearing an adult making a sex joke is grooming and csa. Reading dark fiction is grooming and csa. Jerking off is onanism, which is self grooming and csa. Taking sexy photos and videos of yourself is self grooming and csa. Sexting your same aged partner is mutual grooming and csa. Lying about your age and breaking the law by using fake ids to purposefully entrap men into getting arrested, somehow makes you a victim and is grooming and csa. Sneaking into a strip club is grooming and csa. Using the common defintion of csa, literally every single person on earth is either currently being csad or groomed or is a victim. Im a victim, your a victim, everyone is a victim. Yet despite all this LIFELONG PERMANTLY SCARRING RUINED FOR LIFE TRAUMA, most people live completely normal and average lives. Strange.

So basically, everything is rape, everything is csa and grooming, and in the future, I dont even know if sex will exist or if it will all be considered rape by default (erm, that 30 year old women couldnt consent because she is a former minor and still the same person that she was as a minor and therfore has minor mentallity and cant consent)

I was reading up on some pedo research articles, and now the proffesionals are saying that we have a nerodevlopmental disabillity and are therfore “nerodivergent”. First we were evil monsters, then we were evil monsters who were also mentally ill, and now we are mentally ill neurodivergent evil monsters. Liking cunny means you are neurodivergent and deserve a place alongsides the autism community ig??? Its funny, brcause they are in auch a tight spot, because if they admit pedophillia is just a sexual orientation or a sexual prefrence it begs to question why a normal variation of human sexuality evolved in the first place if it is so “life ruining”, which then leads to questions of it is even “life ruining” in the first place. But then if they label us as “mentally ill” or “neurodivergent”, that leads to question if all the “kill all pedos” are aktually ableist and discriminating against neuro spicy folks. So either way they loose even if its only a little bit.

Also, something that really pmo is all these “professionals” talking about how pedos “need” them to avoid offending, but the real issue at hand is why all these things need to be considered offenses in the first place? Its like passing laws making it a legal offense for people who like vanilla icecream to eat, produce, look at, or even take pictures of vanilla ice-cream. Then saying that they need “intense therapy” to avoid offending against the law. Or how about this, we just, ABOLISH the law that is making it an offense in the first place. Boom, no more offense. Thats my go to when antis claim that kids cant consent because of the law. If the age of consent is whats keeping them from consenting, then just, abolish the age of consent??? Now they can legally consent to sex with adults and theres no more pedo sex offenders, so….

And all these professionals claiming to “care” about the wellbeing of MAPs,(despite having no problem mandatorily reporting us for no fucking reason and playing directly into the hysteria of antis). Asking us to willingly out themselves to be guinnea pigs, then posting on social media 2 days later about how they hate pedos and wish us the worst in AMA on reddit. Crazy shit. If they really caed about the plights of pedos they would do research into the “intrinsic” “harm” and “trauma” of AMSC. Its not like its impossible, as plenty of researchers have already done that, plenty of researchers, BUT the researchers that claim to want to use as lab rats “for our own good”. I read a research article on how nepiophiles where slightly more masculine than regular pedophiles. And my thing is, who the fuck cares? Sure whatever, nepiophiles are macho men and pedos are submissve femboys. How does this help anyone? It fills your pockets sure, since you are gaining info on those evil nasty filthy monsters, but other than that, what is the application for this? What next, “research shows that pedos have more ballsack hair than teliophiles”. Another paper on what to call pedophiles, who fucking cares?? Call us sparkly rainbow unicorns for all it matters, society and the goverment will still find a way to demonize us and turn it into an insult, so why waste time researching this instead of anything actually useful??Its like they are purposefully avoiding delving into the landmine that is victomology and the validty of the victim complex/why child sex myst automatically be csa in the first place by wasting everyones fucking time on stupid shit.

Also, these proffs are so disingenous. “We need to reduce the stigma on pedophillia, but also child adult sex is worse than getting your legs and arms sawed of and your eyes ripped out and is a fate worse than death that will lead constant non stop 24/7 suffering and anyone who perpetuates this vile sin is basically satan.” How tf are you going to “reduce the stigma” on pedos while at the same time claiming that AMSC is even worse and causes even more pain than being a jew in a concentration camp or getting your dick ripped off. They keep trying to divorce the two “oh pedophiles are differnt from child sex offenders” and yeah its techinically true, but saying that the two are different in order to “reduce stigma” while simultanously claiming that even looking at a fucking nude photo of a teenager makes you hitler reincarnate is like preaching about how gays and men who have homosexual sex are different and being gay shouldnt be stigmatized but flirting with men, having gay sex, watching gay porn make you evil and you deserve the worst fate possible. “People with this sexuality arent evil and there shouldnt be any stigma against them but any and all expressions of their sexuality make them satan incarnate and they need consant supervsion of highly trained professionals to keep from acting on their sexuality, which makes them evil.” Yeah I bet they would fucking love for us to feel “safe” enough to come put so they can be the cops 2.0 and manditorily report us and keep our names recorded on a list for when the time that the “kill all pedos” genocide becomes reality. Even the antis that claim that pedos dont deserve to be treated like monsters and shouldnt be stigmatized still say that we need to be removed from general society and have all are friends and family members “warned” and be locked up in constant 24/7 mental institutions indefinently(forever). “Just in case”. Yeah I bet they would fucking love that huh? “Reduce stigma” my fucking ass, the only way you can “reduce stigma” on any of this shit is to stop treating kids getting their dicks sucked by older MILFs like theyve just survived nazi germany. Like being locked in a psych ward for decades for your “mental illness” is somehow less stigmatizing and more humane than being locked in a prison for decades for your “sick perversion”. If these proffs REALLY cared about combating stigma instead of lying out there ass for ultieror motives, they would combat the very myths causing the stigma in the first place, that kids brains will basically fucking explode if they even see an adult mans penis. Combat THAT fucking myth head on instead of pussying around it and you will see FAR MORE “stigma reduction” then “pedos are normal people who dont deserve to be tortured to death or any stigma but if they even LOOK at a child they are evil monsters from the pits of hell who deserve all of humanitys pain and violence”. I cant tell you how many research articles ive read from “objective” researchers and psychs who want to “reduce stigma” but always have to chime in every other paragraph about how gross and stinky child adult sex is and how evil and nasty chomos are and how all offenders need to be tortured and killed in the gas chambers and they totally arent pedos or pedo advocates and hate pedos. And then the very next sentence will be “but why does anti pedo stigma exist and how can we reduce it???🤔💭” literal waste of time and I feel bad for all the virpedders who fall for it, metaphorical lambs to the literal slaughter

And why do all these researchers and psychs ONLY do research and examine anti cs, never pro cs, they are always so invested in the lives and “stigma” of pedos who follow the dominant garbage theories, but ignore pro cs? Its already been shown that a pedos ideological values doesnt have any significant impact on their propensity to offend. Theres anti c offenders and pro c non offenders, so it is very suspicous that they claim to want to hear out pedos, but only the pedos who already buy into their garbage??
Not Forever
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Re: The defintion of rape/sexual abuse/assualt/harrasment getting more and more broad

Post by Not Forever »

What people don’t understand about power dynamics is that they exist in every single relationship: physical strength, economic power, investment (Who bought the house? Who pays for school?), interest in the relationship itself (the more in love partner puts the other in a position of power), job position, charisma, legal protections, and so on... power dynamics are part of every human relationship.
You can analyze any relationship starting from the power dynamic, but precisely for that reason, we should care very little about it. At most, the problem lies with the individual having the possibility of an escape route if necessary (from family, lover, etc.), to avoid cases of coercion. But to have those escape routes, the topic must not be taboo—protections can’t be put in place for relationships if those same relationships are forbidden.

Now I’m curious about those articles and how they came to the conclusion that pedophiles have a neurodivergent disability, or even better, where exactly this "disability" lies. If the "disability" is based on the idea that pedophilia is bad and wrong, then homosexuality could probably also be considered a neurodivergent disability since it is an unproductive interest. Not reproducing is also seen as something bad and wrong, if we look at it from a social perspective. (Being sterile is commonly considered a problem, right?)

The part about trauma from abuse has expanded to pornography in general: now if anyone has a problem, a fetish, an unconventional sexuality, etc., the cause is said to be exposure to pornography at a young age. Knowing very well that everyone has seen porn as minors, people can comfort themselves with the idea that if they are “weird”, or have any preference frowned upon by others, it’s because they visited the wrong website at the wrong age.

It almost feels like a quasi-religious belief, where original sin is the first access to pornographic content.
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Re: The defintion of rape/sexual abuse/assualt/harrasment getting more and more broad

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This is somewhat off-topic (I have to say 'somewhat' on this site because I'm almost always talking about something related to minor attraction, child sexuality or amsc) but the people insisting that children generally feel sexual desire before andrenarche might be right. Not that I've read a lot about this but infant masturbation is apparently a normal thing and male and female fetuses as young as 28 weeks and 32 weeks respectively have been observed masturbating (apparently psychiatrists have classified infant masturbation as gratification disorder when it becomes habitual).
If you dont like sex, you are clearly terrfied and traumatized because it reminds you of your trauma. If you like sex, you are hypersexual and getting your pussy ate to cope with your trauma(because of course, it is impossible to comprhend that a girl might seek out sexual pleasure after an adult encounter because…get this…she ENJOYED IT and likes getting her pussy ate, no, clearly the orgasm was too scarey and she is just coping with the pain). If you like sex the “normal” amount(which is not at all until midnight of your 18th birthday), then you have a “normal” sex drive DESPITE your trauma.
I would argue that, contrary to popular belief, 'trauma' means nothing if it can't ultimately be reduced to extremely intense chronic stress (which is quantitatively, not qualitatively, different than milder distress). If someone is 'traumatized,' if their stress is intense enough that it's not only 'extreme' but so severe that it renders them incapable of pleasure ('coping' and 'escapism' are more or less only meaningful concepts because pleasure and pain are antithetical, for the specific person in question more of one means less than the other) then they won't have a sex drive. If someone experiences instinctive sexual desire at any given moment they're not in what I might call 'unbearable' pain (pain that is so extreme it completely desensitizes them to sources of pleasure). I've never really understood the idea of traumatic sexual experiences making people gay or pedosexual, they might circumstantially in some roundabout indirect way but if an experience is negative I don't understand why you would want to repeat something similar (or at the very least how you could be naturally inclined to repeat something similar).

I truly believe that sexual inhibition/suppression is one of the most damaging things to the human psyche and you have to wonder how negatively affected so many people might be from having been discouraged in infancy from seeking out sexual gratification (not circumstantially out of consideration for one's future self or others but on principle). I truly believe that probably everyone, most people at least, would ultimately be better off in a society without any age gap taboos and one where promiscuity (sexual/romantic openness to anyone whom one can feel some basic physical/sexual attraction to, so if someone doesn't act on their attraction to person a in any given scenario it's only because doing so will have negative consequences)/non-monogamy was the norm (with the right mindset. Obviously if you hold more sexually conservative ideals in a society that rejects those ideals you will be at a disadvantage and there are many upsides to monogamous relationships that stem primarily from competition and possessiveness). The only desires that should be stigmatized are those that are sadistic or imply not valuing someone's happiness. I feel comfortable connecting non-monogamy ('promiscuity,' more precisely) to anti-age gap taboos because they both reject the sexual suppression that I'm talking about, so they're not totally unrelated stances. Libertarianism does as well of a job, if not better, than hedonism in terms of critiquing statutory rape laws but, in practice, I think hedonism really covers what's wrong with stigmatizing pedophilia itself. We understand 'pedophiles' to be people who have an instinctive desire to be sexually intimate with prepubescent children because they reflexively find the prospect of such intimacy pleasurable, 'pedophiles' aren't people who are sexually repelled by children or instinctively find the prospect of intimacy with them disgusting or even emotionally neutral but would be inclined to pursue such intimacy in the right circumstances because they believe, upon reflection, that the physical contact itself would be intrinsically good. Anti-pedo. people can condemn child-adult sex as a physical state intrinsically (which would involve de-valuing the happiness of pedophiles and children who are sexually interested in such intimacy without being anti-happiness per se) but a lot of what most people find objectionable is objectionable because it's sexually pleasing (some examples; a woman who is turned on by the idea of a child sucking on her nipples vs. one who isn't but breast feeds, a parent who is sexually excited by the idea of bathing with a child vs. one who bathes a child for the sake of their hygiene; and I'm pretty sure it's not very taboo for parents to bathe with their small children although I could be wrong about that, an adult who finds hugging a child sexually/romantically gratifying vs. one who hugs a child only to express platonic affection, someone who is aroused by pictures of nude children vs. someone who appreciates such photos as a work of art in a completely non-sexual context, etc.).

I would love to live in a society where casual sex was as pervasive and normal throughout the general population as playing a game or having a conversation.

Leaving aside the internalization of the idea that child-adult sex is inherently bad or even that sex crimes as sex crimes in general are especially bad on principle I think the trauma from rape, csa, etc. is largely rooted in disgust but framing the grievance in that way is counter intuitive for most people (I mentioned this before, about sex work). Even defecating on someone (in a non-erotic context) is humiliating largely because it's disgusting but we normally don't really talk about disgust or raw sexual aversion when we talk about csa. We never really differentiate between a straight boy being fondled by a man vs. a woman, or by an adult he's attracted to vs. one he isn't, and how his preferences play a role in his emotional response. We just have this blanket concept of sexual exploitation that has nothing to do with disgust. Framing the abuse in terms of disgust changes the nature of the grievance.
How tf are you going to “reduce the stigma” on pedos while at the same time claiming that AMSC is even worse and causes even more pain than being a jew in a concentration camp or getting your dick ripped off. They keep trying to divorce the two “oh pedophiles are differnt from child sex offenders” and yeah its techinically true, but saying that the two are different in order to “reduce stigma” while simultanously claiming that even looking at a fucking nude photo of a teenager makes you hitler reincarnate is like preaching about how gays and men who have homosexual sex are different and being gay shouldnt be stigmatized but flirting with men, having gay sex, watching gay porn make you evil and you deserve the worst fate possible.
I'm rushing now but I don't think the distinction between opposing discrimination against pedophiles and opposing the stigmatization of pedophilia itself is incoherent. For example, I do think that 'necrophilia' in the sense of fetishizing dead bodies as dead bodies should be stigmatized (I have a hard time believing that someone who could bring themselves to have sex with a corpse could love that person and value their happiness and appreciate what their death has deprived them of, most people are naturally bothered by the sight of dead bodies if they respected or cared about the deceased, but I'll consider the possibility of an unusual non-callous person who would prefer a living, conscious partner but is open to using a corpse as a fantasy/masturbatory aid) but I don't think that people should mistreat 'necrophiliacs' (again, I don't mean people who might merely be attracted to a corpse in the same way that seeing a sleeping nude person could instinctively trigger those feelings, there isn't a noticeable difference between a dead body in the early stages of decomposition and a living one, but people who fetishize death as death; the latter necessarily implies de-valuing people's happiness since you have to exist in order to experience happiness. The possibility of an afterlife might complicate things but I think the default preference should be for a partner who would also enjoy the physical contact). The people you have in mind might think that a desire to be with children is inappropriate but reject the idea that anyone deserves to suffer regardless of how bad their offense is. Many Christians have a 'love the sin, hate the sinner' attitude when it comes to gays as well. You can think that someone has made some kind of a moral error without reducing their entire identity to that error.

I agree with Not Forever about power dynamics. A female police officer in her early 20s has, in some respects, considerably more power than the middle-aged or elderly male driver she pulls over. Power doesn't accumulate with age in a vacuum. There's never been a U.S president younger than 42 (if I'm not mistaken, you can't run for president until you're 35) but the vast majority of American men 42 and older have never been and never will be president, so while some power requires a certain level of 'life experience' the latter doesn't guarantee it. There are many different kinds of power and minors in many minor-adult relationships will be the more powerful party in some respects. Power imbalances aren't inherently bad which is fortunate because they're unavoidable, people have different strengths and weaknesses.

Illnesses prevent the body, as a biological system, from functioning. Subjective pedophilia doesn't do that, it wouldn't do that even if it were a symptom of some inter-subjectively observable brain disorder (although the physiological correspondents of emotional stress can have a negative effect on our immune system/physical health). If you call it a 'disability' the question still remains- why is it bad.

I swore today would be different. I don't know how it happened but I wasted another day, mostly due to writing out this one post.
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