Mom burnt daughter’s rapist alive after he taunted her following prison release

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Mom burnt daughter’s rapist alive after he taunted her following prison release

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https://www.unilad.com/news/world-news/ ... 0-20240802
Mom María del Carmen García set alight to her daughter's rapist after he was allowed out of prison early and spoke to her

A mom set fire to a man who raped her daughter and was sent to prison for killing him.
In October 1998, 13-year-old Verónica Rodríguez García from Benejúzar in Alicante, Spain, was raped at knifepoint by her 63-year-old neighbor Antonio Cosme.
Cosme was found guilty and sentenced to prison, however, the ordeal was far from over.

It's reported at the time the teenager accused her neighbor of rape, local residents were left divided, many refusing to believe it could have occurred and others standing by her, Meaww reports.
Verónica's mom María del Carmen García was left to support her traumatized daughter, alongside withstanding negative viewpoints, all while trying to seek some sort of justice.
Antonio Cosme was later found guilty and sentenced to nine years in prison, but upon his release seven years later on parole, he reportedly bumped into María.
Around June 2005, Cosme allegedly ran into María and asked her, as quoted by El Pais: "How’s your daughter?"

María reportedly then went to buy a bottle of gasoline, found Cosme, poured the fuel all over him and set him alight.
It's reported Cosme died a week later as a result of the burns he suffered.
The mom was found guilty and sentenced for the rapist's killing in July 2009, receiving nine-and-a-half years.
Petitions were started and numerous appeals were launched, many outraged by the mother's conviction and sentencing given what Cosme had done to her daughter.
In 2010, her sentence was reduced to five-and-a-half years after her attorney pleaded she had acted under temporary insanity. Her sentence was placed on hold in 2011 pending a pardon application, however in 2013 it was rejected, The Mirror reports.
In 2018, it's reported María was finally released.

García's story inspired the HBO Max documentary series titled Hell on Earth: The Verónica Case.
According to a viewer who's watched the documentary, María 'wanted to make this doc to get the truth out because people in the village still believe he’s innocent, the mom is insane and the daughter is a w***e'.
"I am so angry at the world," the viewer added.
In the docuseries, Verónica reportedly resolves: "My mom protected me and now that she’s free, i protect her from the media."
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I think this just shows how revolting people can be. The man served his time and should have been left alone. Of coarse asking " How is your daughter" does make one wonder what his intent was in asking. Still doesn't make what she did right.
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Maria 'wanted to make this doc to get the truth out because people in the village still believe [...] the mom is insane'
Well... she did burn someone alive. I don't know of many sane people that went ahead and did something like that. If she's willing to burn anyone alive for any reason, surely she's crossed some other lines before reaching that point. That's not behavior you just... manifest.

If an insane man strapped to a straight jacket spends the day bashing his head against the wall, does he regain his sanity if a MAP walks in the way and is hit instead? That's sometimes how it feels.
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Lennon72 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 1:40 am I think this just shows how revolting people can be. The man served his time and should have been left alone. Of coarse asking " How is your daughter" does make one wonder what his intent was in asking. Still doesn't make what she did right.
No, she was definitely in the right. He got what was coming for him and it's absurd to call her the revolting one. Rape is disgusting, he is disgusting, and if that's the choice he decided to make it proves he was never capable of becoming better in the first place. Getting rid of him is more of a justice than anything
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Olivia2012 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:45 pm No, she was definitely in the right. He got what was coming for him and it's absurd to call her the revolting one. Rape is disgusting, he is disgusting, and if that's the choice he decided to make it proves he was never capable of becoming better in the first place. Getting rid of him is more of a justice than anything
Olivia, while I fully understand your feelings regarding rape—actual rape involving violence, as in this case, not "statutory rape", of course—being a disgusting crime and the man discussed here being revolting (especially as evidenced by the way he reacted "bumping into" the mother), vigilante "justice" is never a solution. Think of how "paedophiles" are "hunted" by people who feel we're disgusting and all deserve to die.

Even if someone killed one of my loved ones, I should not be allowed to take justice into my own hands and kill the criminal after he served his sentence (or before/during for that matter). Although I might well feel like doing so.

No matter how serious the crime, no matter how terrible the criminal, no matter the intensity of our feelings, we shouldn't "kill bad people". In fact, I strongly oppose the death penalty altogether, and it's fortunately illegal where I live.

Never assume that someone can't repent and atone. I'm currently writing an article about my maternal grandfather. He repeatedly raped my mother when she was very young, which left her with horrific lifelong symptoms of rape trauma syndrome. He raped other girls, too. In part because of tough conversations with my mother, he gradually came to understand how much harm he had done. He converted to Christianity and spent the rest of his life trying to atone for his great sins, in part by being a wonderful grandfather to his many grandchildren, including myself and my two younger sisters.
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Yes, I had to read back and verify that we were discussing an actual rape, which shows just how disrespectful the modern definition of it is to victims.
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WavesInEternity wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:58 pm
Olivia2012 wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2025 6:45 pm No, she was definitely in the right. He got what was coming for him and it's absurd to call her the revolting one. Rape is disgusting, he is disgusting, and if that's the choice he decided to make it proves he was never capable of becoming better in the first place. Getting rid of him is more of a justice than anything
Olivia, while I fully understand your feelings regarding rape—actual rape involving violence, as in this case, not "statutory rape", of course—being a disgusting crime and the man discussed here being revolting (especially as evidenced by the way he reacted "bumping into" the mother), vigilante "justice" is never a solution. Think of how "paedophiles" are "hunted" by people who feel we're disgusting and all deserve to die.

Even if someone killed one of my loved ones, I should not be allowed to take justice into my own hands and kill the criminal after he served his sentence (or before/during for that matter). Although I might well feel like doing so.

No matter how serious the crime, no matter how terrible the criminal, no matter the intensity of our feelings, we shouldn't "kill bad people". In fact, I strongly oppose the death penalty altogether, and it's fortunately illegal where I live.

Never assume that someone can't repent and atone. I'm currently writing an article about my maternal grandfather. He repeatedly raped my mother when she was very young, which left her with horrific lifelong symptoms of rape trauma syndrome. He raped other girls, too. In part because of tough conversations with my mother, he gradually came to understand how much harm he had done. He converted to Christianity and spent the rest of his life trying to atone for his great sins, in part by being a wonderful grandfather to his many grandchildren, including myself and my two younger sisters.
Facing punishment and/or realizing it was a bad thing to do will never make it better. Prison is supposed to make you truly understand the gravity of your actions so you don't do it again, it's kinda a punishment and light rehab imo. The fact he decided to act that way even after his prison sentence proves he doesn't care. He doesn't care for his victims, and he doesn't care about the consequences. He's not in the same boat as your grandfather, who I'm gonna say right now is equally as bad if not worse. Unlike your grandpa, he has no guilt, and I doubt a few conversations would make him feel anything either. You can't compare this to the hate against MAPs because he's a RAPIST. He committed a genuine crime and there's a genuine victim who's gonna suffer the consequences of his actions. Most MAPs haven't committed a crime and have no victims. The hate against maps is usually unreasonable, but anything he faced was totally warranted.
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Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am Facing punishment and/or realizing it was a bad thing to do will never make it better. Prison is supposed to make you truly understand the gravity of your actions so you don't do it again, it's kinda a punishment and light rehab imo.
Studies actually show that prison doesn't really work as rehabilitation. It's really just punishment and/or a means of taking dangerous people off the street. Scandinavian countries and some Indian states, among others, are moving away from a prison-centric penal system with great results.

My grandpa realizing that what he did was bad did "make things better". He mostly reconciled with my mother, dedicated a lot of energy to helping her in life, and he was an extremely positive part of my life and that of my sisters. I would have been much worse off without having known him, for instance if he had been killed or imprisoned for life (which, according to the law of the land, he deserved). My mother chose to pity and help him rather than hate and punish him, and it worked. I'm not saying that this is an exemplary model we should always follow, but it does show that the common assumption that the "abuser" or "rapist" is a "bad person" and always will be is misguided.
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am The fact he decided to act that way even after his prison sentence proves he doesn't care. He doesn't care for his victims, and he doesn't care about the consequences.
A single off-hand remark doesn't warrant condemning someone to death, don't you think?
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am Most MAPs haven't committed a crime and have no victims. The hate against maps is usually unreasonable, but anything he faced was totally warranted.
What about those MAPs who have committed a crime? Should they all die? What if they say it was consensual? If the crime was "statutory rape"? What if the consent is ambiguous, as is often the case? Not to mention the very common belief that MAPs are "ticking time bombs" that will nearly all sexually assault a child at some point in their lives. Who has the right to decide who lives and who dies? Who knows whether or not the hatred is "reasonable"?

Here's a solution: we do away with hatred altogether, and we never murder anyone for their past actions. If they pose a clear and immediate danger to others, they should be taken off the streets. If they don't, true rehabilitation, not prison, is often the best option.
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WavesInEternity wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:16 am
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am Facing punishment and/or realizing it was a bad thing to do will never make it better. Prison is supposed to make you truly understand the gravity of your actions so you don't do it again, it's kinda a punishment and light rehab imo.
Studies actually show that prison doesn't really work as rehabilitation. It's really just punishment and/or a means of taking dangerous people off the street. Scandinavian countries and some Indian states, among others, are moving away from a prison-centric penal system with great results.

My grandpa realizing that what he did was bad did "make things better". He mostly reconciled with my mother, dedicated a lot of energy to helping her in life, and he was an extremely positive part of my life and that of my sisters. I would have been much worse off without having known him, for instance if he had been killed or imprisoned for life (which, according to the law of the land, he deserved). My mother chose to pity and help him rather than hate and punish him, and it worked. I'm not saying that this is an exemplary model we should always follow, but it does show that the common assumption that the "abuser" or "rapist" is a "bad person" and always will be is misguided.
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am The fact he decided to act that way even after his prison sentence proves he doesn't care. He doesn't care for his victims, and he doesn't care about the consequences.
A single off-hand remark doesn't warrant condemning someone to death, don't you think?
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am Most MAPs haven't committed a crime and have no victims. The hate against maps is usually unreasonable, but anything he faced was totally warranted.
What about those MAPs who have committed a crime? Should they all die? What if they say it was consensual? If the crime was "statutory rape"? What if the consent is ambiguous, as is often the case? Not to mention the very common belief that MAPs are "ticking time bombs" that will nearly all sexually assault a child at some point in their lives. Who has the right to decide who lives and who dies? Who knows whether or not the hatred is "reasonable"?

Here's a solution: we do away with hatred altogether, and we never murder anyone for their past actions. If they pose a clear and immediate danger to others, they should be taken off the streets. If they don't, true rehabilitation, not prison, is often the best option.
Are you serious? Yes, I do full heartedly believe an off handed remark warranted his death. Rape has no excuses. I believe in the death penalty personally and if I had been the judge of it him and your grandpa would've died much sooner in the most gruesome way possible. And, as for the comments regarding what abt maps who HAVE committed crimes, they should die too. You know you can't mention statutory rape because it isn't comparable in a conversation like this, but as for crimes against children, that is never redeemable. Maps shouldn't have sex with children and that isn't even a crazy take. Even with consent, a lot of statutory rape only happens as a result of grooming that made the minor think it was okay to say yes, not often genuine consent. As for ambiguous consent? That's just as bad as rape. If you don't have a complete, solid yes, it should be considered a no and going against that is rape. Your morals are disgusting, and you are disgusting.
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Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:28 am
WavesInEternity wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:16 am
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am Facing punishment and/or realizing it was a bad thing to do will never make it better. Prison is supposed to make you truly understand the gravity of your actions so you don't do it again, it's kinda a punishment and light rehab imo.
Studies actually show that prison doesn't really work as rehabilitation. It's really just punishment and/or a means of taking dangerous people off the street. Scandinavian countries and some Indian states, among others, are moving away from a prison-centric penal system with great results.

My grandpa realizing that what he did was bad did "make things better". He mostly reconciled with my mother, dedicated a lot of energy to helping her in life, and he was an extremely positive part of my life and that of my sisters. I would have been much worse off without having known him, for instance if he had been killed or imprisoned for life (which, according to the law of the land, he deserved). My mother chose to pity and help him rather than hate and punish him, and it worked. I'm not saying that this is an exemplary model we should always follow, but it does show that the common assumption that the "abuser" or "rapist" is a "bad person" and always will be is misguided.
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am The fact he decided to act that way even after his prison sentence proves he doesn't care. He doesn't care for his victims, and he doesn't care about the consequences.
A single off-hand remark doesn't warrant condemning someone to death, don't you think?
Olivia2012 wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:50 am Most MAPs haven't committed a crime and have no victims. The hate against maps is usually unreasonable, but anything he faced was totally warranted.
What about those MAPs who have committed a crime? Should they all die? What if they say it was consensual? If the crime was "statutory rape"? What if the consent is ambiguous, as is often the case? Not to mention the very common belief that MAPs are "ticking time bombs" that will nearly all sexually assault a child at some point in their lives. Who has the right to decide who lives and who dies? Who knows whether or not the hatred is "reasonable"?

Here's a solution: we do away with hatred altogether, and we never murder anyone for their past actions. If they pose a clear and immediate danger to others, they should be taken off the streets. If they don't, true rehabilitation, not prison, is often the best option.
Are you serious? Yes, I do full heartedly believe an off handed remark warranted his death. Rape has no excuses. I believe in the death penalty personally and if I had been the judge of it him and your grandpa would've died much sooner in the most gruesome way possible. And, as for the comments regarding what abt maps who HAVE committed crimes, they should die too. You know you can't mention statutory rape because it isn't comparable in a conversation like this, but as for crimes against children, that is never redeemable. Maps shouldn't have sex with children and that isn't even a crazy take. Even with consent, a lot of statutory rape only happens as a result of grooming that made the minor think it was okay to say yes, not often genuine consent. As for ambiguous consent? That's just as bad as rape. If you don't have a complete, solid yes, it should be considered a no and going against that is rape. Your morals are disgusting, and you are disgusting.
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