Hi Folks, Mu-strs, MAPsters, & "curious" Wood-chipper hangers-on, plus lurking LEO's:
I post as SCOTUSBABY (formerly DIDASKALOS) at Boychat.
In real life, I toured reciting HEROIC POETRY (90's to 2015) then, cued by Anno Caitlynnae Nostrae of 2015, focused on GENDER POETRY (2015 - 2025) and am now, as I move into the 60-80 year frame of life, moving on to philosophy.
Goal: nice 4L edition of Homer & Plato in Greek, Latin, English, and Japanese, available on-line, with recordings.
Helped with the republication of Edward Perry Warren's A Defense of Uranian Love, (Valancourt Press, 2009) which inspired me to do deeper work on the Phaedros, which has led to wanting to do a FULL EDITION of Plato, with recordings in 4 languages.
When I say "Gender Poetry," I mean OPUS GENERIS, a suite of five poems setting the Boy-Love moment, the MALE/male libido-flow, in the larger context of gender-identity formation.
Cybele & Attis
Pindar Olympian #1
Telemachos without Odysseus (Odyssey Book II)
Ovid Metamorphoses, Apollo and Cyparissus,
plus Daphne & Apollo.
Because of my platform as a reciter of Greek & Latin poetry, I am perhaps uniquely qualified to begin the process of "talking about BL."
Like salt, or nuclear energy, or sex-hormones, BL is something where JUST A PINCH is wanted, and that under carefully controlled conditions.
The transition from a libido that is 100% mother focused (i.e., Cybele & Attis) to libido that is more father-figure-focused, is conveniently indexed by the Zeus / Ganymede myth. That is, a boy living in a 100% mother/sister/longhouse dominated household, MAY WELL have a Zeus/Ganymede dream, which opens up to him the life-possibilities associated with having a proper male role-model. IF the dream is not taken as something literally, as something to be made to happen in concrete reality. So it is imperative that Z/G be a part of the public discourse, since we're at a time when Cybele & Attis imagery dominates the public space, at the expense of boys growing up to become men. But concretization of the myths (i.e., REAL boy-castrations and REAL boy-abductions) is something to be avoided.
And, of course, it's just as important to facilitate the transition OUT of the Great Father space (Zeus/Ganymede) as it is to facilitate the transition OUT of the Great Mother space (Cybele & Attis) and these transitions and non-concretizations are what OPUS GENERIS is designed to HIGHLIGHT.
There's a word for people who take myths literally. They're called FUNDAMENTALISTS. See Scopes, Mencken, and the Monkey Trial. In the current gender-debate, we seem to have a lot of Fundamentalist Cybele & Attis people; we seem to have a lot of Fundamentalist Zeus/Ganymede people.
The moment of BL visibility, public speaking, public discussion, etc, is coming.
We will have our Stonewall, our Milk, our WIll & Grace.
I call this atmosphere "#PedoSchwing2025."
It is, as we say in Greek, a KAIROS (or, in Latin, a CARDO) that is, a KEY TURNING POINT.
My relationship with MU and the "Mapsters" who run it, has always been playfully adversarial.
We are, after all, in competition for gigs at colleges, and head-space in the discourse, and the power to shape BL for the 21st Century.
https://boychat.org/messages/1630011.htm
Because I present as a traditionalist who affirms the Judaeo-Christian order of sexuality, and only dispenses BL-energy via poetry, and that in a larger context of normative identity formation, America will listen to me, before they will listen to radical BL activists, be it VERY or SIMPLE or PROSTASIA.
So, please look forward to the two dialectics in play:
FIRST: #OPUSGENERIS is a self-contained dialectic, which features boy-love poetry SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN Cybele & Attis (which motivates the BL moment) and Daphne & Apollo (which NORMALIZES the transition from boy-play, to chasing girls.) The BL moment is sandwiched for safety, like nuclear material sandwiched in between carbon rods in a reactor, which absorb the excess energy. In the manner of a mathematician, I have tried to boil down BL to the context in which it is essential, undeniably essential; that is, to identify its (abstract, but essential) role in masculine identity formation. This is a minimalist vision, a thin end of the wedge, which must fight it out with the creeping, hypocritical, maximalist visions given by the other groups. I'm assuming everyone understands [[not mentioning any groups]]'s strategy of DENYING that they're moving towards kidfuckery, while all the while taking baby steps, all the little baby steps, one after another, like a cat stealthily stalking a bird, towards kidfuckery. Hence my use of the phrase, "creeping, hypocritical, maximalist vision."
There's a million videos of sneaky-stalking cats . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4atBmbCmBzs
SECOND: As I tour and perform OPUS GENERIS, and various mapster groups (Prostasia, VIRPED, BOYCHAT, MU, B4U-ACT) put forward their efforts -- public relations for BL / double-plus-good-pedo-speakers / arc of history bends towards naked boys on gray pride floats -- with their various political agenda-lists (VERY/SIMPLE/NOHARM, etc) and various humbugs for drawing public attention, a clear dialectic and discussion will emerge between what I am saying, via OPUS GENERIS, and the positions taken, typically in a one-sided and NON-dialectical way, by the various pro-BL and anti-BL groups.
MAY THE BEST FRAMEWORK WIN!
I am out in the Real World; you can get in touch and request gigs via:
EMAIL:
mrminer071166@yahoo.com
FB: SanDiegoHomerCon
(Has lnks to scripts, shows, reviews, activism, etc.)
YT: search for Virtue-Cast #1-5
(Todd Nickerson & I recite Ovid's Pygmalion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdJrr17maTY
Twitter/X
Mark Miner, Your Conservative Uncle.
@Didaskalosmrm
Reader article, me barking back against Drag Queen Story Hour:
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/201 ... -fluidity/
Furries barking loudly at me, tho failing to engage with OPUS GENERIS, and, what's sadder, failing to engage with Apuleius, THE GOLDEN ASS, the text I brought to VancouFUR to share with them.
https://dogpatch.press/2023/03/20/mark- ... los-miner/
Please don't approach me in a way that is confused about my role.
I'm not there to conduct womens' interests / womens' fears / womens' mysteries / womens' initiation etc.
You must go to a reciter of, e.g., Demeter & Persephone for that.
I am NOT here to 'personate Chthonic Pluto stealing Persephone, HE THE ARCHETYPE OF ALL MALE RAPISTS, however much that projection might be convenient for your feminist project.
(Feminist: But men, yes all men, blah blah blah...
Me: I'm not here to carry your Pluto projections.)
Kara Dansky to Benjamin Boyce: "Why can't women live in a world 100% free of the fear of rape?"
Me: "It's Persephone who lives in a world that is 100% defined by the fearful atrocity of male rape.
I'm not here to recite Demeter / Persephone poetry; if you, the feminist community, want to work through those feelings, then you, the feminist community, must take responsibility for doing your own Demeter / Persephone recitations.")
I'm not a therapist; you can count on me to tune you out & shut you down in 2-3 minutes if you talk about your personal problems.
I'm not out there as a target for pedo-toileting. I will shut you down in 60 seconds, if you try to externalize your pedo-issues onto me, and then blame me for having the uncontrollable proclivities which are in fact yours.
(Pedo-toileter: "So, what you're saying is, you're really into leetle 12 year old Mexican girls with leetle white socks . . . ."
Me: Dude, no. Dude, stop. That's ALL YOU, dude!)
I am NOT out there to be recruited for "your" political projects.
You and I are TO PLAY AT BUMPER-CARS out there in FREE SPEECH LAND.
If you don't like what I say or how I say it, you must stand up on your hind legs and MAKE YOUR OWN SPEECH.
That's HOW WE DO, in the classical tradition (of rhetoric) that I represent.
I am not out there to cough up PERSONAL NARRATIVES.
That kind of thing just GUMS UP THE WORKS, and makes it harder for people to get into the poetry.
(Mr. Loves-the-Second-Person pronoun: "But don't YOU feel this, don't YOU do this, don't YOU say this...."
ME: "It's not about me, it's about the dialectic of the five poems."
TWO KEY POINTS which I will insist on at the beginning, middle & end of any interview.
OPUS GENERIS is good because it's an EXTERNALIZATION and DEPERSONALIZATION of everyman's gender-struggle.
Neither my personal adventures (such as they were) nor YOUR personal adventures are on the table for discussion;
OPUS GENERIS is about choral recitation of myths that have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, or anybody else.
OPUS GENERIS is not about the five poems individually; it's about the THROUGH-LINE from the first poem to the last, and the RESISTANCE people bring to me, as a poet, RUNNING THAT THROUGH-LINE, that is, to me PLOWING ON THROUGH from the first poem to the last, over the psychic resistance people try to put in the way.
(Interviewer, e.g., Benjamin Boyce: "Ok, Mark, let me just stop you there . . . Let me just ask you this probing question to get to the PERSONAL aspect of what you're saying...."
Me: No. OPUS GENERIS is like a DISNEY RIDE. You do not stop, you do not get out of the cart. You do not interact with the Pirates of the Caribbean, you do not interact with the ghosts shaking the tambourine. You get in the cart, the bar comes down on your lap, you experience the FULL RIDE, you come to the end of the ride, and you get out.)
I am out there in public AS A POET. Everything I have to say about BL is included in OPUS GENERIS, which is a two-hour performance (half me reciting in Greek/Latin, half the audience reciting in local English) so don't be poking around looking for politics or personal narratives.
If that's what you're looking for . . . get someone else.
I am just out there TO DO THE POETRY, which lets you (the audience) cough up whatever pro-trans/anti-trans/pro-BL/anti-BL/pro-conversion-therapy/anti-conversion-therapy feelings you may be troubled with.
In being given the poetry, you are being given a CLEAN WHITE PORCELAIN FIXTURE into which you may excrete your feelings.
Not on me; IN THE CLEAN WHITE PORCELAIN FIXTURE.
I am prepared to train, re-train, and discipline American audiences, until they understand this.
---Scotusbaby
SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
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Re: SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
Welcome!
That was an entertaining introduction.
I read the article you linked on Dogpatch, and I got the impression they don't like you very much.
There is a need for that kind of trolling.
Perhaps you would like to help with ragebaiting in the future?
That was an entertaining introduction.
I read the article you linked on Dogpatch, and I got the impression they don't like you very much.
There is a need for that kind of trolling.
Perhaps you would like to help with ragebaiting in the future?
Brian Ribbon, Mu Co-Founder and Strategist
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Re: SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
Welcome to the new international home of the "MAP" thing, Mark, we hope you enjoy your stay.
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Re: SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
Thanks, JB & BLR.
All the furries I've spoken to directly have been cool.
Taking my cue from UK artists GILBERT & GEORGE, I always present IRL as a gentleman, and I always get treated as a gentleman.
Never met this self-appointed Dogpatch "watch-dog" / "journalist" character, "Patchy Fur," I call him.
He just took it upon himself to UP & be obnoxious, for no other reason than his own guilty conscience.
(And of course the general furry appetite to create OH NOES TEH DRAMA! situations about nothing.)
Honestly, the most exciting part of that trip, was the train from Seattle to Vancouver BC, up through all the blueberry fields.
(I've recently gotten into growing blueberries.)
The inter-furry vibe of WE MUST PROTECT OUR FANDOM FROM PEDOS! is just silly, dogs barking at the sound of their own farts.
As far a general rage-bait program, I've never seen a trollier troll than Socrates, and, in a few weeks, when I'm done with the Kratylos (Ion & Phaedros are already done,) while it's still Summer, I'll set up an 8' x 8' tent in the park & recite PLATO for/with all comers.
If I get shot at, like Trump, that's as good a way to die as any other.
---Sb
All the furries I've spoken to directly have been cool.
Taking my cue from UK artists GILBERT & GEORGE, I always present IRL as a gentleman, and I always get treated as a gentleman.
Never met this self-appointed Dogpatch "watch-dog" / "journalist" character, "Patchy Fur," I call him.
He just took it upon himself to UP & be obnoxious, for no other reason than his own guilty conscience.
(And of course the general furry appetite to create OH NOES TEH DRAMA! situations about nothing.)
Honestly, the most exciting part of that trip, was the train from Seattle to Vancouver BC, up through all the blueberry fields.
(I've recently gotten into growing blueberries.)
The inter-furry vibe of WE MUST PROTECT OUR FANDOM FROM PEDOS! is just silly, dogs barking at the sound of their own farts.
As far a general rage-bait program, I've never seen a trollier troll than Socrates, and, in a few weeks, when I'm done with the Kratylos (Ion & Phaedros are already done,) while it's still Summer, I'll set up an 8' x 8' tent in the park & recite PLATO for/with all comers.
If I get shot at, like Trump, that's as good a way to die as any other.
---Sb
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Re: SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
Looking for your section of YT links, I see that YT is regarded is regarded as hostile territory. (!)
I haven't had any trouble posting my crap there.
Can you make a YT section so that I & other YTers can post links?
I don't pretend there's any great quality or relevance, going on, in my podcasting, nothing worth saving.
I wanted to make it clear from mOmEnT #1 that I don't take pod-casting too seriously.
But there is some abstract value, I GUESS, in the simple fact that I made those podcasts, uploaded them, and . . .didn't die or get cancelled.
EXPLICITLY . . . As BL-owned & operated cultural space.
That alone might inspire others.
SECTIOn nOT COnTAInInG YT LInKS:
https://www.map-union.org/community
Introduction to OPUS GEnERIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRLO8g9rxs
VC1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azH8dyw85EA&t=2s
Todd nickerson & I talk, recite poetry.
VC2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkfeueUQJ9U
more of Todd & I talking & reciting poetry.
VC3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg09fdddCTE
Reading the noisy protests of Jeff Younger, through the lens of Cybele & Attis.
VC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kiPykaPcs
Analyzing mrGirl's pedo-grift.
VC5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZKVPsLZME
Setting a fellow podcaster straight about who I am.
What it felt like to "billboard" at SD pride, Summer of 2023.
ETC.
Thanks!
---Sb
I haven't had any trouble posting my crap there.
Can you make a YT section so that I & other YTers can post links?
I don't pretend there's any great quality or relevance, going on, in my podcasting, nothing worth saving.
I wanted to make it clear from mOmEnT #1 that I don't take pod-casting too seriously.
But there is some abstract value, I GUESS, in the simple fact that I made those podcasts, uploaded them, and . . .didn't die or get cancelled.
EXPLICITLY . . . As BL-owned & operated cultural space.
That alone might inspire others.
SECTIOn nOT COnTAInInG YT LInKS:
https://www.map-union.org/community
Introduction to OPUS GEnERIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRLO8g9rxs
VC1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azH8dyw85EA&t=2s
Todd nickerson & I talk, recite poetry.
VC2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkfeueUQJ9U
more of Todd & I talking & reciting poetry.
VC3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg09fdddCTE
Reading the noisy protests of Jeff Younger, through the lens of Cybele & Attis.
VC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kiPykaPcs
Analyzing mrGirl's pedo-grift.
VC5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZKVPsLZME
Setting a fellow podcaster straight about who I am.
What it felt like to "billboard" at SD pride, Summer of 2023.
ETC.
Thanks!
---Sb
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Re: SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
One thing I didn't find was a comprehensive play list for virtue-cast. Are you able to put this together, or perhaps create a wordpress blog?
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Re: SCOTUSBABY says hello; OPUS GENERIS in the house.
Waaaaaaaal, if I had a small army of TECH-SAVVY AT-RISK YOUTH at my disposal, as Dan Savage does, I could clean up my MESS of YT page and have a coherent 1-5 play-list to offer as ONE link.
WIll put this on my TO-DO LIST.
---Sb
WIll put this on my TO-DO LIST.
---Sb