Why I dont support femminism as an AFAB/Transman

[FlowerLurker]

as a trans man myself, I wholeheartedly agree. feminism is one-cis-gender-centered movement, it does not advocate for equality and doesn't help nor cis or trans people. it also excludes nonbinary and over all queer people, as well as denies everyone agency.

[FlowerLurker]

Feminism is the most stupidest thing to have come out of the 20th century men and women are deferent on many fundamental things.
And is part of the reason why pedophillia is hated and detested.
The hatred really only started come out when the feminist of the 60s and 70s gain momentum.
And now a days all men are basically pedophiles to them.

well there is a biological difference between male, female and intersex, and I'm not talking about gender, I'm talking about genitals and overall biology, the body shape, the voice, etc. sure there are people who without HRT or anything like that still sound very gender-ambiguous, + there are intersex people which are criminally disregarded all the time.

all of the differences outside of biology are just gender stereotypes, which do much, MUCH more harm than good, in fact, the only good I see in gender stereotypes is that it may make a trans person happy if they express themselves in some certain way. but it's a consequence of having the stereotypes, not a reason. we have gender stereotypes, 80% of human population thinks that there are only two genders and sexes...

there's also an issue regarding gender non-conformity. currently, the wave of gender stereotypes break affects only cis women, completely disregarding cis men, as well as over all trans and intersex people to that. which doesn't really help the issue all that much for it really works only for one gender only, while others are getting mixed with shit and hated upon, especially male sex and/or gender, systemic and normalized in social culture misandry proves it painfully so.

so what am I getting at...

ah, yes

there are differences in biology, yes, but those differences are 1. not so black and white 2. not so significant. they were hyperbolized by gender stereotypes and upon them those gender stereotypes were built. gender stereotypes don't do anyone justice except for providing some trans people some gender euphoria, which is great but also sad in a way (saying it as a trans man myself). 3. pedophilia hatred is a complex thing that comes from more awareness about children safety, desire to make the world a bit of a better place, as well as feminist hysteria about any men, and of course gender stereotypes that perpetuate the idea of a cis man being an inherently violent predatory creature, which will harm both adult and not adult cis women. which is of course bullshit, no gender or sex are inherently evil, and pedophilia is not a horrible demonic curse that only makes everyone's life worse. i wish people moved past that anti-pedo hysteria already.

lords i yapped soooo much... sorry.

[Curson]

Well I, for one, look forward to society not being controlled by the whims of certain women and men putting down others for not conforming to the mold that we have to date people we don't like, we won't want to be around, or those we don't even relate to. Like how did society survive for this long if we can't agree that we are human beings that aren't all the same and make mistakes and grow as people?

[gartellito]

As a trans woman, this is really just ridiculous. Even the slightest look at an author like Julia Serano would dispell these concerns. This is really the only kind of discussion you can have if you want to completely ignore the issues faced by women, and in particular, only focus on the sex-negative branches of feminism which expressly are pushed against by sex workers, transfeminist women, etc. Any transfeminist will tell you that there is a portion of feminists who are extremely negative towards sex and, in large part, demonize 'male anatomy' as a battering ram against trans women. You're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, as if every damn part of every damn movement for decades hasn't explicitly hated us pedos.

Read Serano. Get back to me.

This poster is correct. I think you, OP, have a very warped view of feminism because of how the subject has been bastardized by the liberal mainstream... As do may people in this thread, it seems, who are basing their conceptions of feminism on vague ideas of how the movement has been stereotyped.

A large part of serious feminist theorists are against this sort of conservative demonization of sexuality. A lot of hugely influential feminist figures like Simone de Beauvoir were staunchly in favor of sexual liberation. Dworkin isn't the only feminist out there, lol.

It's really odd to me when someone in favor of youth liberation is against feminism. Youth liberation is intrinsically tied to female liberation. It's directly beneficial to you as a transgender person too.

[reaver]

Dworkin? You've never heard of e.g. Stanton, Butler, Sanger, Pankhurst, Hirschfeld, who'd not even afford us the tolerance demonized as conservative (e.g. AoC 7, marriage)? Rather than talking of "friendly" feminism, which is merely hypothetical as evidenced by the lack of said tolerance, we should focus on what's real. So, pardon my skepticism of Lial's historical revionism, and the inane reduction of feminist misandry to bemoaning victimhood of "transwomen", which laughingly undermines the argument being made.

[Harlan]

I would also add that feminism has never been about true equality.

When they fought for the right to vote, the right to employment, the right to self-expression, it all made sense. They achieved everything they wanted.

Now feminism has nothing to do with the fight for equality. It is now a toxic ideology of ugly, diffident and hypocritical idiots, hiding behind the "protection of women" in order to attack the rights and freedoms of everyone else, imposing censorship under the guise of fighting the so-called "Patriarchy".

True feminism should defend femininity and female beauty and attractivenes, but instead, so-called modern feminists instill unattractiveness, hatred and misandry. They don't like it when someone is more attractive than them, so they came up with the concept of "objectification" to promote desexualization to the masses and suppress natural femininity and feminine beauty. These are not feminists, they are anti-feminists.

[Harlan]

As a trans woman, this is really just ridiculous. Even the slightest look at an author like Julia Serano would dispell these concerns. This is really the only kind of discussion you can have if you want to completely ignore the issues faced by women, and in particular, only focus on the sex-negative branches of feminism which expressly are pushed against by sex workers, transfeminist women, etc. Any transfeminist will tell you that there is a portion of feminists who are extremely negative towards sex and, in large part, demonize 'male anatomy' as a battering ram against trans women. You're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, as if every damn part of every damn movement for decades hasn't explicitly hated us pedos.

Read Serano. Get back to me.

This poster is correct. I think you, OP, have a very warped view of feminism because of how the subject has been bastardized by the liberal mainstream... As do may people in this thread, it seems, who are basing their conceptions of feminism on vague ideas of how the movement has been stereotyped.

I would be all for it. Unfortunately, their voices were completely drowned out by Radfem's hysterical shouts.