What is everyone's stance on Epstein?

[PorcelainLark]

Anyway, working with victims is doomed to fail. MAP attractions will be seen as a result of trauma. Which is not a good idea.

I disagree with this. I don't think MA is the result of trauma, and I don't think non-coercive statutory rape is necessarily harmful, however, denying sexual abuse occurs and pitting yourself against victims is a bad idea. Put yourself in the position of a person sexually abused by a priest or uncle, your community/family doesn't want to know and would prefer to sweep it under the rug a lot of the time, because it makes them uncomfortable. That makes victims want to expose "pedophiles" (being equivocal about MAPs and sexual predators); we MAPs want to be able to live openly too. I'd argue if we could live more openly, we'd be more accountable to the communities and families we belong to, so there would be less sexual abuse. We don't necessarily have to be enemies with victims.

[bnkywuv]

I'm not a fan of the trafficking at all, but the people who are freaking out over the cannibalism and such sounds like highly neurotic and mentally unstable people desperate to "protect" children. Extreme antis like this are clearly unwell and very likely highly dangerous to children and MAPs alike.

[oolhlh2]

Anyway, working with victims is doomed to fail. MAP attractions will be seen as a result of trauma. Which is not a good idea.

I disagree with this. I don't think MA is the result of trauma, and I don't think non-coercive statutory rape is necessarily harmful, however, denying sexual abuse occurs and pitting yourself against victims is a bad idea. Put yourself in the position of a person sexually abused by a priest or uncle, your community/family doesn't want to know and would prefer to sweep it under the rug a lot of the time, because it makes them uncomfortable. That makes victims want to expose "pedophiles" (being equivocal about MAPs and sexual predators); we MAPs want to be able to live openly too. I'd argue if we could live more openly, we'd be more accountable to the communities and families we belong to, so there would be less sexual abuse. We don't necessarily have to be enemies with victims.

The main factor that drives the trauma is that the abuse is unwanted. If a toddler were to have sex then there is a high chance that they will get trauma from it as they weren't mentally aware enough to even know that they were having sex.

Our ability to be more accountable won't change the status quo, that children will in most cases be harmed by having sex with adults.

[OnionPetal]

You want to know what I think about Epstein?? Oh, let's go.

• I think it's strange that a maths teacher from New York quickly amassed a half-billion dollar fortune and was known by celebrities all over the world, despite having done very little to earn such renown.

• I find it curious that Ghislaine Maxwell (the woman seemingly always visible in the frame of photos with Epstein) is the 'favourite' daughter of a man reportedly connected with UK, Soviet, and Israeli intelligence agencies.

• I am sceptical that Epstein let all of his victims go free, knowing that they would almost certainly 'talk.'

• I suspect we will never know the full egregiousness of what Epstein and his clients did as part of his sex trafficking operation.

• I am quite confident that the most egregious evidence was destroyed years ago.

• I believe that both Biden and Trump withheld (and will continue to withhold) the full unredacted Epstein files, to protect their associates.

• I do not think Epstein killed himself at the exact moment that the security cameras failed, while under 'suicide watch' the day before a scheduled court hearing that was likely to incriminate accomplices.

• I do not think that the world's most famous celebrities and politicians visited Epstein's island just for the 'great barbecues.'

It is clear that Epstein did not act alone, all by himself. But I don't believe that any visitors to his island will ever face justice for their covered-up crimes. And one of the most frustrating aspects of this case for MAPs is the obvious double standard... Someone merely viewing pixels online can get sentenced to hundreds of years in prison (yes, this has actually happened). Yet the elites can engage in literal sex trafficking, and they all cover up for each other so they walk free.

It's 'Rules for thee, not for me!' Minor attraction is deemed by society as one of the most heinously unacceptable offenses in all of humanity. 'Worse than murder!' some will say. But when there's a list a mile long of famous elites known to have flown on the Lolita Express, the media presenters just clutch their pearls for years, and nobody ever goes to jail, because the government is busy 'losing' evidence, and they decide not to prosecute anyone.

[CantChainTheSpirit]

A fair trial was never going to happen with so much political involvement. It's politicians doing some things and helping the media to fling mud at their oponents. What was the actual crimes? We'll never really know.

[ReArm!]

I'll sume it up in one phrase: People hate Epstein because he was a pedophile, I hate him because he was a billionaire, we're not the same.

[Artaxerxes II]

A nothingburger blown out of proportion. Although the focus on vague sexual crimes over the possible Mossad honeypot aspect reminds me of how conservative media was obsessed with Hunter Biden’s sexual life over his play-to-pay corrupt scheme with Burisma back when his laptop was top news thanks to Rupert Murdoch’s NYP.