Does rape exist?

[Creature Bipedal]

There is a Russian lesbian Anne Levchenko who protects girls from heterosexualism. But since my childhood, I cannot understand what’s wrong in rape for a heterosexual woman. If a woman raped me, I would be grateful.

When a heterosexual man is raped in prison, it is another thing. But even here, when a man rests for years without a woman, he would be glad to be “raped.”

Is it possible to have erection if one does not believe that his “victim” is sexually aroused?

One who rapes during war is considered as a winner by women glad to be “raped” by such worthy man. And one who is allowed to rape outside war must be rich and high ranked—it means that any woman want to be “raped” by him.

[foxtrot321]

what are you talking about??? of course rape exists, and 90% find it to be a terrible experience, many are traumatised for life

[OnionPetal]

Wanting to do something is not the same thing as consenting to do something. For example, you might like to drink alcohol, but you choose not to because of the risks involved, like maybe you have to drive someplace, or be at work, or you have some health issues, so you choose not to. If someone then physically forces you to drink alcohol in that situation and says, 'I know you want it,' then that is a violation of your autonomy, because you did not choose to do it, even if a part of you liked it.

But even here, when a man rests for years without a woman, he would be glad to be “raped.”

Here? Where many MAPs are sexually disgusted by adult women? I think many here would not be glad!

One who rapes during war is considered as a winner by women glad to be “raped” by such worthy man.

I had to think of the wide reports of sexual violence perpetuated on the defeated German women and girls following World War II who threw themselves into rivers and drowned to escape the sexual violence of the conquering army. E.g., see the mass suicide in Demmin, which historians link directly to the mass rapes by Soviet troops. Obviously, if the women were killing themselves to escape rapists, then they were not 'glad' to be raped.

[Creature Bipedal]

I’ll go the way
Of Nazis and
Die to decay
In their land.

I’ll share their deeds,
By me they’re stood.
Germans will be
My people too.

Be cursed all those
Who won the war.
I will oppose
Pro-Jewish whores.

(c) Cyril Galaburda, April 4th, 2026

(I’ve just watched Cramer‘s film.)

[zarkle]

yes coercive, manipulative, deceptive sex acts exist. There are even cases where people can lie and play mind games to get sex which falls under the extended definition of rape. I don't see the point of a silly thread like this. I'm all about questioning norms yet you are questioning an obvious fact and doing this can make us even more unpopular then we already are.

[bnkywuv]

The title is a bit misleading.

Men can be raped and suffer from it, but it seems to be more of a cultural thing. Yes, there are ways for men to be forced into erection against their will, such as the use of medications for ED.

However, even under the context of culture alone, yes it can. In some indigenous cultures, even rape against women seems unheard of. If one knows the potential risks (family being torn apart, unwanted pregnancies etc) then it can become a real thing.

Trauma IS a real biological thing, but it can also be learned. Doesn't make it any less "fake" or "real" than the other.

[Creature Bipedal]

manipulative, deceptive sex acts exist. There are even cases where people can lie and play mind games to get sex which falls under the extended definition of rape.

Extended definition of manipulation constitutes extended definition of rape! Gifts and compliments must be considered manipulation and rape in their extended meanings.

this can make us even more unpopular then we already are.

I disagree. People seem to tolerate normal rapists more than MAPs loved by children. Antis prefer seeing children as martyrs of non-consenting.

[derando]

There is a Russian lesbian Anne Levchenko who protects girls from heterosexualism. But since my childhood, I cannot understand what’s wrong in rape for a heterosexual woman. If a woman raped me, I would be grateful.

When a heterosexual man is raped in prison, it is another thing. But even here, when a man rests for years without a woman, he would be glad to be “raped.”

Is it possible to have erection if one does not believe that his “victim” is sexually aroused?

One who rapes during war is considered as a winner by women glad to be “raped” by such worthy man. And one who is allowed to rape outside war must be rich and high ranked—it means that any woman want to be “raped” by him.

This is a good take. It is only rape ( in my eyes ) if someone gets hurt or doesn't want to have sex.

So I understand your point. Yes most "rape" is just pride from societal fears and not actual rape. I mean it's even considered rape to look at a women today.

[GL_in_Lyrics]

I agree that rape is a real thing, but I also agree with lots of the other points here.

What I do not agree with is that rape is a very big deal. It just isn't as big a deal as society and feminism make it out to be. Like, people need to get over it and stop believing that it's so harmful. THAT alone, will make it easier to recover from.

There are simply worse things in the world, such as circumcision, abortion, animal abuse, etc. Don't even start with me about "He touched me" and shit like that.

I once read about certain things Australian aboriginals practice. I don't know how true it is, but apparently some of them have rituals where they perform a severe form of circumcision on the young males, and they literally cut a slit in the penis, and allow older men to fuck the slit. Yet, apparently if you visit these peoples, they are extremely happy in life. My point isn't whether or not this is an acceptable practice (obviously, it's abhorrent and terrible), rather, my point is that no matter what people go through, they can seemingly get over it, depending on societal outlook.

So what's the point in society's outlook being that rape is worse than murder? I mean, there's plenty of cases where no physical damage was done whatsoever. So why make such a big deal out of it if the person has the potential of moving on? I just don't see how having unwanted sex is always so bloody awful, that whomever it happens to needs to believe their life is over.

[John_Doe]

I think this is such an off post because while I can agree that rape is unreasonably considered one of the worst special-category offenses because of sex exceptionalism I think it completely belittles the actual trauma it can cause and presumes ('logics') that no one would be really bothered by it were it not for the social stigma. The disregard for the emotional distress of others is 'a deal,' it is an injustice (when it drives choices that affect other people. I might not consider the private disregard for the suffering of others to be unjust, or actual harm that doesn't stem from malintent or neglect, but actual harm + disregard=injustice; rather than just 'immorality' which I see as privately not valuing the happiness of others or wanting them to be free from emotional distress) and rapists can reasonably assume that their victims will suffer high-level trauma, the thing they're doing (sex or sexual contact) itself has nothing to do with that ultimately, they could show the same disregard through other more socially acceptable actions and it would be just as heinous (if you had reason to assume that saying the word 'orange' would traumatize someone, or that would be obvious to you if you seriously considered how your behavior affects others, then using the word could circumstantially be tantamount to rape, in my mind, in terms of being unjust or morally evil).

Even in a society without sex exceptionalism, there would (for all intents and purposes and more or less) always be reason to assume that forcing a conscious person to have sex against their will would cause them harm because the frustration of a desire for autonomy is inherently painful (we are always primed to have a negative emotional response to the experienced thwarting of a desire, even when it doesn't cause actual pain). Framing sex crimes and 'sex exploitation' in terms of disgust would probably trivialize the issue from a conventional standpoint but disgust can run deep. I'm sure you can think of people you would never in a million years want to have any sexual contact with, because of physical disgust or the social awkwardness of sexual intimacy with them in the context of your relationship. When it comes to men, I think it can be additionally humiliating because high-value men are supposed to be strong enough to protect their wives and children and the people they love, if they're not that puts their 'masculinity' in question (you'll hear some women flat-out admit that they couldn't be with a man who was raped), on top of the stigma of homosexual activity (if the rapist is a man and that is probably what most straight men would find most humiliating) and, again, the fact that at least some people are just naturally disgusted by the prospect of having sex with at least some of the people they're not attracted to and you'll probably find a lot of men who aren't necessarily prejudiced against gays but find the prospect of their being sexually intimate with other men viscerally unappealing. I don't want to logic that men will necessarily be more humiliated by rape than women will, I'm sure it's circumstantial and people are generally humiliated when they're overpowered and their autonomy is disregarded. Even without sex exceptionalism that will be the case.

Is rape categorically worse than murder? No, but it can be, circumstantially. I think you have to use a completely arbitrary metric to determine which specific actions are inherently a 'big' deal or not, it will probably come down to how much distress the idea of this or that causes you. The sex itself isn't what matters, the suffering caused is the harm and the disregard for the suffering or happiness of others is what's immoral.

Not everyone is going to suffer less because the broader society tells them that no real injustice has been committed against them and invalidates their pain (the people on here generally take issue with the stigmatization of minor attraction even though we were raised with the understanding that it is inappropriate after a certain age, or even that pedophiles and 'MAPs' deserve punishment for their feelings which are inappropriate. Some people have obviously internalized that and it hasn't necessarily helped them; I could see how it could take some of the edge off the 'injustice' of it all but there might still be shame and frustration with having wrongful desires etc., some people will always rebel against societal norms). Just 'getting over it' won't be an option for everyone. Again, I think there's a way to reject the sex exceptionalism that makes it an inherently special-category offense while acknowledging and respecting real human suffering (and the latter includes condemning the disregard for the suffering of others that 'rapists' always show. It's also worth remembering that rape can result in in STDs and unwanted pregnancies, you can separate that from rape itself if you want to but I imagine that many rapists who know that they're infected with HIV or any given STD aren't going to be considerate enough to use protection to spare their victim that or an unwanted pregnancy).

...they can seemingly get over it, depending on societal outlook.

Seemingly would be the key word.