Contact with infants

[DANAT4T]

My view on contact with infants who would have no concept of consent is a difficult issue. Personally, I wouldn't necessarily approve of contact is these particular cases but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with not telling them about the contract when they are older either.

[bnkywuv]

Even nonhuman animals can show consent and a lack of consent so speech isn't necessarily an absolute form of communication. Yes doesn't always mean yes and no doesn't always mean no. Body language and vocal contour are crucial indicators of one's true feelings. That being said, the body can remember things the conscious memory can't so if it was highly unconformable or painful that could mess them up for life. However some interaction could even be enjoyable for some.

[Pegasus]

A baby who is caressed and touched in a simple way and who is given pleasant things, even without speaking, will show through their actions that they are enjoying what is being done to them. If it is unpleasant, they will naturally show it through gestures or sounds. Laughter and crying are signs, within what is being done to them, signs of good or bad things. So necessarily, as has already been said here, speech cannot be something that can only say yes or no, they are signs of agreement or disagreement. Sounds can also demonstrate, don't forget, the body responds to stimuli, and this response can be visible.

[DANAT4T]

A baby who is caressed and touched in a simple way and who is given pleasant things, even without speaking, will show through their actions that they are enjoying what is being done to them. If it is unpleasant, they will naturally show it through gestures or sounds. Laughter and crying are signs, within what is being done to them, signs of good or bad things. So necessarily, as has already been said here, speech cannot be something that can only say yes or no, they are signs of agreement or disagreement. Sounds can also demonstrate, don't forget, the body responds to stimuli, and this response can be visible.

It would also be the case for people with very low IQ, extremely bad memory loss or weak verbal skills.

My views on corporal punishment are that I believe that it should be subject to general assault laws.
I would suggest that contact where there is no knowledge of contact or not, expressed by whichever way of communication should be treated similar. I would not regard it as sexual assault.

[trannypuppy]

A baby who is caressed and touched in a simple way and who is given pleasant things, even without speaking, will show through their actions that they are enjoying what is being done to them. If it is unpleasant, they will naturally show it through gestures or sounds. Laughter and crying are signs, within what is being done to them, signs of good or bad things. So necessarily, as has already been said here, speech cannot be something that can only say yes or no, they are signs of agreement or disagreement. Sounds can also demonstrate, don't forget, the body responds to stimuli, and this response can be visible.

Absolutely agree! Consent isn't all verbal

[DANAT4T]

A baby who is caressed and touched in a simple way and who is given pleasant things, even without speaking, will show through their actions that they are enjoying what is being done to them. If it is unpleasant, they will naturally show it through gestures or sounds. Laughter and crying are signs, within what is being done to them, signs of good or bad things. So necessarily, as has already been said here, speech cannot be something that can only say yes or no, they are signs of agreement or disagreement. Sounds can also demonstrate, don't forget, the body responds to stimuli, and this response can be visible.

Absolutely agree! Consent isn't all verbal

Of course. For example some people with autism are not verbal. Verbal communication is important for me though.

[msykm99]

I am not here to judge nor am I the enemy, so please take what I’m about to say lightly.

I personally think contact with infants is wrong. I like ages 6 and up so who the hell am I to say anything. Anti’s are gonna look at us the same anyway, but I do think like everything in life there should be a limit (waiting for the wise guy to say “yea and it’s 18 years old” lol).

Seriously though, they can’t consent to anything. I think trying to justify your stance on contact with an infant is wild. I think those who are pro-c with infants are so frustrated that you’ll think of anything to justify it.

[DANAT4T]

I am not here to judge nor am I the enemy, so please take what I’m about to say lightly.

I personally think contact with infants is wrong. I like ages 6 and up so who the hell am I to say anything. Anti’s are gonna look at us the same anyway, but I do think like everything in life there should be a limit (waiting for the wise guy to say “yea and it’s 18 years old” lol).

Seriously though, they can’t consent to anything. I think trying to justify your stance on contact with an infant is wild. I think those who are pro-c with infants are so frustrated that you’ll think of anything to justify it.

I very rarely find infants attractive. I very rarely find elderly people attractive also but you seem to be advocating for an "age of consent", which is nonsense.

[FairBlueLove]

I am not here to judge nor am I the enemy, so please take what I’m about to say lightly.

I personally think contact with infants is wrong. I like ages 6 and up so who the hell am I to say anything. Anti’s are gonna look at us the same anyway, but I do think like everything in life there should be a limit (waiting for the wise guy to say “yea and it’s 18 years old” lol).

Seriously though, they can’t consent to anything. I think trying to justify your stance on contact with an infant is wild. I think those who are pro-c with infants are so frustrated that you’ll think of anything to justify it.

I can think of a limit on the *kind* of contact, not on the age. 'Contact' is too general.

[OnionPetal]

Seriously though, they can’t consent to anything. [...]

I guess that rules out breastfeeding. And diaper changes.

Better leave them in complete isolation until they can consent to 'something,' whenever that might be...