Hopelessness

[Kara32]

Ok no, but I will have a read, thank you

[Joanne7315]

That is a really well thought out and written post Kara, thank you.

[NotTrueToMyself]

Ok no, but I will have a read, thank you

Thank you for supporting your brother and his YF.

[hdlss1]

I have been researching and talking about the topic for close to 15 years now, I have seen things go from bad to worse and no doubt older activists have been noticing this trend for decades before my time. Things do feel rather hopeless. At this point it seems pretty clear to me that formal debate, be it deductive or inductive has very little effect on people's opinions on the topic. There is room for it under specific academic settings and I'm trying to do my part on that front, however it's clear that beliefs about the topic have become a cornerstone of the major ideological tribes in the arena. People adopt beliefs and evaluate how those beliefs affect their social standing, betraying a cornerstone belief is the most dangerous to their social standing and by extension for their survival.

Online, things are a little different. Were it not for the overzealous moderation (now AI assisted) it would be pretty easy to gain notoriety and build a following on social media. The hopelessness keeps people from finding each other and fear prevents them from exploring the full extent of their sexual potential.

"MAP" communities are therefore populated by isolated, extremely pedophilic and socially awkward users who end up embracing self-defeating identities like "paraphile" because they perceive that at least some people in the medical establishment could provide them with some validation if only they follow what is set out for them.

This is to be expected, the early homosexual groups had similar characteristics, early adopters have the least to lose by becoming vocal about a topic that is so contentious because they tend to be low status and positively not "cool". This presents a major problem if we intend to grow the movement beyond what is currently possible. The average MAP of the future is currently a "normie" who is happily sharing anti-MAP rhetoric online on his friend group. Some of them are lost in cognitive dissonance, some of them are not even aware of the things that could turn them on in the right context but none of them can or want to imagine themselves belonging to a "minority" group composed by positively awkward people.

I say this not to inflame or insult anybody but simply because the only way I see the movement growing is not by logically changing people's minds or surrendering at the mercy of niche left wing intersectional politics but instead by offering alternative tribes where MAP elements can be introduced in a way that is palatable for the average guy who wants nothing to do with "minority politics" or "pedophiles" but who is still a hot-blooded horny guy.

There are orders of magnitude more gooners and lolicons on social media than there are open MAPs or activists. It is clear to everyone (else) that they have pedohebephilic interests but they employ shared cognitive models which allow them to partake in that while avoiding the negative fallout of the pedophilic association. Their presence is tolerated to a greater degree on social media and they have groups for people all over the political spectrum. Simply put they have real tribes, which is what we need.

Anime is this sort of miraculous accident of the Japanese were pedohebephilic content is still allowed to be commercially produced to feed the needs of a market. Even now most shows which are currently airing have "loli" or "shota" characters and like half of the ones I'm watching include open adult-child romantic relationships and the demand for this (in my view) only keeps growing every year. We can't underestimate how effective art is at "normalizing" behaviors when there are tribes who are vocal about it. No doubt this is one of a few reasons why the UN and other ideological colonizers are endlessly trying to suppress Japanese media overseas.

Sure we aren't going to get to the normiest normies onboard until perhaps many decades into the future but whatever we do now must stand the test of time as something that has the potential to grow beyond the early adopters. The biggest mistake of the LGBT movement was the "born this way" narrative. Conservatives are not blind, no genetic basis was ever found, haphazard developmental theories are put forth to fill the gaps amidst an ever-rising population of LGBT identifying young people. Social contagion is real and the massive losses in the political arena which the trans movement just suffered are in no small part the result of pushing the born this way narrative again on the topic of trans kids and sports. The LGBT model, "Special treatment for a special kind of person" as Thorstad put it is not what we need if we ever intend to grow as a movement.

For the time being, when it comes to social media, average users should probably try to take over these lolicon tribes all over the political spectrum and ride on the wave of MAP adjacent artistic expression. The "anti" to "lolicon" to "map" pipeline is something I've seen many times online. Academics should continue to set the stage by producing material people can use to justify their positions. (We all know how that game is played) but this is also a long-term project.

Much can be said about getting women onboard, after all they are the other half of the population and presumably we want young people (including girls) to hold liberal views on age-gap sex as well... however this post is already far too long, in the end I agree that things currently feel hopeless, especially when you are not even allowed to voice your mere opinion online. But just because you are part of a minority now it doesn't mean that you will always be and we must plan for that even from this early stage.