Why do you tell yourself that kids can consent?

[G@yWad69]

Firstly, let me thank you for making the effort to reach understanding, as opposed to just blind condemnation.

There are many counter-arguments I would like to make. HumanBeing covered some good ones.
But let me start here:

How could a kid consent to sex when they don't even know what it is yet?

Why do you feel they are incapable of learning what it is?

They can learn in the science way, but that doesn't mean they should practice. why rushing the physical discovery? Plus a childs genitals is small and by definition not mature, so why forcing an activity on a an organ that's not fully formed yet? I think romance might be okay, maybe, but I'd call myself "anti contact" since that's what I understood on this site.

Why cant they practice? Whats so bad about practicing? How come kids are supposed to practice every other skill in life but when it comes to sex they cant practice it? How is someone, kid OR adult supposed to do anything correctly if they arent even allowed to practice the skill? Its not “rushing” anything. Fetuses masturbate in the womb, toddlers hump their stuffed animals, elementary schoolers play with each others genitals(without any “grooming” or adult influence, they just get curious and realize it feels good and explore). Kids seek out sex and how to learn about it, thats why so much of modern day parenthood is putting parental locks on shit and telling kids how bad sex is, because a kids innate and natural instinct is to seek it out and learn about it, it goes against their instincts for adults to refuse to educate them and ban them from exploring. Why should we stunt these kids natural exploration of their own and others bodies? Because its “yicky”? Because adults think its “innaporpriate”? Its clearly appropriate or else they wouldnt be doing it in the first place.

“Plus a childs genitals is small and by definition not mature, so why forcing an activity on a an organ that's not fully formed yet?” Humans are capable of getting boners and acheiving orgasm IN THE WOMB, as FETUSES. So no ones forcing shit. And not mature means that they arent capable of getting someone pregnant or getting pregnant(which only applies to kids who havent reached puberty by the way, not teens or preteens), it doesnt mean they cant recieve sexual pleasure or orgasm. A kids dick wont explode or fall off it gets rubbed or fondeled. Yall are so fucking dramatic. Yall act like rubbing some kids dick is the equivilant to forcing them to serve in the military or work 14 hour shifts in a factory. What about getting your dick fondeled is so impossible and difficult and traumatizing for a kid to handle? If they play with their own penis theyll be fine but if a “grown up” hand does the exact same thing that they do it will suddenly ruin them for life? Can you please explain this?

Sorry that I dont agree with the viewpoint that getting a blowjob is a life changing and mind blowing event, or even worse “traumatizing”. Sorry that I dont agree that people should be getting locked up in prison or even fucking murdered over handjobs and blowjobs. A blowjob is NEVER that deep.

[RoosterDance]

They can learn in the science way, but that doesn't mean they should practice.

Why shouldn't they practice?

why rushing the physical discovery?

Why delay physical discovery?

Plus a childs genitals is small and by definition not mature, so why forcing an activity on a an organ that's not fully formed yet?

A child is small and not mature in general, but that doesn't stop them from playing sports, racing dirt bikes, camping in the wilderness, or swimming. All of which can be very dangerous, by the way. What makes this different?

Also, who said anything about forcing? The whole point of debate in this topic you created is all about allowing kids to choose.

[Outis]

You can debate whether many things about adult and minor relationships but the shakiest argument in my opinion is around consent because it doesn't hold up.

Kids can and do consent to countless things. Kids are thinking, smart, curious, open minded young people. They're not yet tainted by politics or hate, they see the world and question it, they're natural sponges at schools. Ask a child how he or she feels and you'll get an answer. Ask them if they want to go somewhere or what they want to eat and they'll tell you. So often they're considered mature enough to be held accountable for acts we don't like and we're often told how kids are smart enough to bypass security safeguards online better than their parents. My kids have managed to bypass our latest security monitoring and Internet access restricting tools and in the UK people are complaining that kids are installing VPNs to bypass restrictions under recent law changes.

Kids are full people with thoughts and feelings. Their parents know them best. It's odd that the state can mandate age of consent laws and rules around relationships with no knowledge of the individuals in a relationship, no context. Kids do have underage sex because they seek it out and enjoy it. Many parents would rather they did it safely with contraception and in a safe place like at home rather than fumbling away behind a bike shed at night.

It should be that a child can talk to parents about their thoughts and feelings and relationships and a parent who knows them, knows the other person, knows the situation and cares for them has the authority to give the best advice, guidance and help them to make a good healthy decision. Parents are not allowed to do that, the state has pre-ruled on the outcome, the parent is there simply to enforce the states pre-judgement. It isn't in the true interests of the child, it's in the interest of the state wanting a black and white sledgehammer approach where people on one side of an imaginary age line can, and those on the other side can't. One day someone is too young to cope, the next day they pop on a party hat, blow up a balloon and they're mature enough and ready. It makes no sense. I know adults who are not ready and don't want relationships, I know people underage who are smart and clued in and would be much better able to make an informed consent decision.

And as I said before, I've been that underage person in a physical relationship with an adult. He never forced me, he always sought consent and I only benefitted from it. From a legal standpoint, he abused me and I was a victim. The reality was completely different.