Contact Debate - ethics of the logical categories

[DANAT4T]

The 7th option references bathroom etiquette which is a social construct.

Ah, I was thinking of the stuff about memory.

If consent was based on memory, people with dementia would not be capable of consent either. I regard that particular issue as irrelevant.

[Learning to undeny]

I can only base it on my experience, but I would expect the ability to have an orgasm isn't contingent on whether you've reached puberty.

What I meant is that I don't know if there is anything risky about an infant/toddler having an orgasm, even though they occasionally happen. I know that orgasms are normal long before puberty, but I do not know if they are unsafe before a certain (5? 2?) age, as I do not recall seeing positive/neutral experiences of orgasm that young (an alternative explanation is that they would forget).

[Scorchingwilde]

I can only base it on my experience, but I would expect the ability to have an orgasm isn't contingent on whether you've reached puberty.

What I meant is that I don't know if there is anything risky about an infant/toddler having an orgasm, even though they occasionally happen. I know that orgasms are normal long before puberty, but I do not know if they are unsafe before a certain (5? 2?) age, as I do not recall seeing positive/neutral experiences of orgasm that young (an alternative explanation is that they would forget).

I had firsthand experience with self-induced orgasms when I was 5 that were positive, repeated relatively frequently when I had the chance and felt like it, and didn't seem to cause any harm. I could have been 4 or 3 and have memories of those, I don't really remember a time when I didn't, but time gets blurry that far back and the most time-specific memory I have is of worrying about being caught at school.

[TheHamilplexOfficial]

0-2 for learning consent but 3-5 for contact
consent should be one of the first things that someone learns, either thru their parents or at school (with good sex education as well because that is important and they should know what they're consenting to at age 3-4 because thats when they can make memories and remember stuff)

as long as they understand what'll happen, how to say "I want to stop doing this" and "I want to do this" then contact is fine

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[PorcelainLark]

If consent was based on memory, people with dementia would not be capable of consent either. I regard that particular issue as irrelevant.

Fair enough, but the changes in the brain between 2 and 3 regarding memory wouldn't be a social construct from my perspective. I think I've argued before that it's the most significant change; from 4 onwards the changes in the brain are mostly incrimental/gradual, the major jump is between 2 and 3.

What I meant is that I don't know if there is anything risky about an infant/toddler having an orgasm, even though they occasionally happen. I know that orgasms are normal long before puberty, but I do not know if they are unsafe before a certain (5? 2?) age, as I do not recall seeing positive/neutral experiences of orgasm that young (an alternative explanation is that they would forget).

Makes sense. I used to think of it like spice receptors and children: since flavors are stronger, they might be more overwhelming to children.