Martijn's most recently update says they're not looking to be transferred back to the Netherlands, rather trying to get their sentence annulled.
The Ecuadorian lawyers confirm that the regional court had already made the decision (confirmation of the verdict) before the hearing. They have now spoken to Marthijn and Lesley. They are opting for cassation, because they want to see their innocence proven. Transferring the sentence to the Netherlands is therefore off the table for the time being. According to the lawyers, the Court of Cassation is less sensitive to pressure from the media, although the process could take more than a year.
If their current lawyers are competent I'm not sure there's much we can do. If their current lawyers aren't competent, there's probably even less we can do.
Information re: Martijn has been mostly one sided. If there was a direct request for support I'd pass that along, too.
"Everywhere I see bliss, from which I alone am irrevocably excluded. I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous."
~Frankenstein
If their current lawyers are competent I'm not sure there's much we can do. If their current lawyers aren't competent,
Well, sure there is. In the year this could take we could be getting them aid. And They could need money for the lawyers. You know that Nelson's line of communication came through contact with his lawyer (that he fired) bc William made contact with him from there we were able to get his cellphone.
If someone contacts the lawyers maybe we can contact them direct [dm offsite maybe we can work on this] if its a choice between the two I'd rather give aid to people who don't seem as dull or self-destructive and haven't had a shot at it. Plus there was some skeptical media opinion from a Dutch journalist about Martijn that could be an additional avenue to explore.
Fragment wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:40 amNelson is currently detained in a prison in Mexico. He sent this message with a request to share, forward & publish.
A while back my boyfriend - whom was living 3 doors down at the time - ‘accidentally’ go transfer to a new dormitory by prison administration. They moved him to the group cell in the dormitory for recidivists. Those are people whom are in jail for at least the third time in their life. Not cold-hearted sicarios, but the worst kind of street thugs live there.
It's my boyfriend's first time in prison for a relatively small crime when he was 18. He's not some tough gangster. He has learned to stand up for himself, but he's still a timid gay guy that even the prison admits is vulnerable in prison, and for that he legally has the right to protection. Protection he doesn't get. Protection we need.
Things went to hell a few weeks ago. For some thoughts brought me my boyfriend - whom was already marked by several hits he took - the hit him several times in front of me and told me that if I didn't pay that they'd beat the shit out of him. I paid the extortionist and then I paid some more to get rid of them.
I bought my boyfriend a bunk in a relatively quiet part of the group cell so he'd be safer, more comfortable and we'd have a place to hang out. I waited to visit so he could settle, but soon things went wrong again. A guy in one of the bunks below him falsely accused my boyfriend of stealing a radio. My boyfriend has a large history of false accusation and and as a gay guy in a homophobic ‘Catholic’ country ALWAYS got screwed over.
I didn't want to risk his safety or for him to end up in punishment. From my own experience I know how bad it is down there. I've often called it “worse than Guantanamo”, that should give you an image.
I paid to replace the radio, I paid to have the accuser moved out, and I paid for protection. I decided it was time to let my presence be known since I have a lot of rep in other parts of the prison. I paid the mafia for my right to visit and to get their ‘blessing’.
Despite the roaches and smell of death rat, his bunk turned into a little slice of heaven for us to hang out, smoke, talk, kiss, but it didn't last long. Things got weird quick.
My boyfriend started talking about how I should break up with him because he was supposedly no good for me. They found the real thief, but didn't give us back our money. And I was getting sick of the amount of favors and gifts the mafioso kept demanding. That was just the first day.
The second day my boyfriend acted distant, but initially wouldn't tell me why. At the end of the day as it was getting close for me to leave he finally broke and told me they were forcing him to extort me, but that he didn't want to. They had a used condom and wanted to force him to file a rape complaint if I didn't pay.
No, yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but do realize that I'm already being held for two and a half years for HUMAN TRAFFICKING and drug trade without trial, without evidence and without the possibility of a defense against a crime I obviously didn't commit.
With the Mexican Government against me a condom with my sperm and a forced or made up victim declaration. I could easily be looking at several extra years of pre trial detention. And what about my boyfriend his safety?
I didn't have a choice. I paid to get the condom and faked breaking up with my boyfriend, publicly accusing him of extortion to stop the actual extortion. Obviously I didn't formally accuse him of extortion and it's with his knowledge and consent. Secretly we're still seeing each other in other parts of the prison.
The prison and my embassy - his embassy sucks - are aware of the situation and have promised to take appropriate action. They haven't done anything at all. I communicate with them daily and they keep telling us ‘not to worry’.
We're in danger come on broke, underweight and starving. Nobody helps.
Nobody helps mainly because apparently two guys who love each other is something horrible. More horrible than the systematic torture that goes on in this prison, or the trafficking of transforming for sex.
Please somebody send help or at least some money so we can eat! Stop looking away.
Nelson Maatman
11th of October 2024
Reclusorio Varonil Preventivo Oriente
Ciudad de México, México
Do we really meant to do activism, or are we just talk?
Fragment wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:40 amNelson is currently detained in a prison in Mexico. He sent this message with a request to share, forward & publish.
A while back my boyfriend - whom was living 3 doors down at the time - ‘accidentally’ go transfer to a new dormitory by prison administration. They moved him to the group cell in the dormitory for recidivists. Those are people whom are in jail for at least the third time in their life. Not cold-hearted sicarios, but the worst kind of street thugs live there.
It's my boyfriend's first time in prison for a relatively small crime when he was 18. He's not some tough gangster. He has learned to stand up for himself, but he's still a timid gay guy that even the prison admits is vulnerable in prison, and for that he legally has the right to protection. Protection he doesn't get. Protection we need.
Things went to hell a few weeks ago. For some thoughts brought me my boyfriend - whom was already marked by several hits he took - the hit him several times in front of me and told me that if I didn't pay that they'd beat the shit out of him. I paid the extortionist and then I paid some more to get rid of them.
I bought my boyfriend a bunk in a relatively quiet part of the group cell so he'd be safer, more comfortable and we'd have a place to hang out. I waited to visit so he could settle, but soon things went wrong again. A guy in one of the bunks below him falsely accused my boyfriend of stealing a radio. My boyfriend has a large history of false accusation and and as a gay guy in a homophobic ‘Catholic’ country ALWAYS got screwed over.
I didn't want to risk his safety or for him to end up in punishment. From my own experience I know how bad it is down there. I've often called it “worse than Guantanamo”, that should give you an image.
I paid to replace the radio, I paid to have the accuser moved out, and I paid for protection. I decided it was time to let my presence be known since I have a lot of rep in other parts of the prison. I paid the mafia for my right to visit and to get their ‘blessing’.
Despite the roaches and smell of death rat, his bunk turned into a little slice of heaven for us to hang out, smoke, talk, kiss, but it didn't last long. Things got weird quick.
My boyfriend started talking about how I should break up with him because he was supposedly no good for me. They found the real thief, but didn't give us back our money. And I was getting sick of the amount of favors and gifts the mafioso kept demanding. That was just the first day.
The second day my boyfriend acted distant, but initially wouldn't tell me why. At the end of the day as it was getting close for me to leave he finally broke and told me they were forcing him to extort me, but that he didn't want to. They had a used condom and wanted to force him to file a rape complaint if I didn't pay.
No, yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but do realize that I'm already being held for two and a half years for HUMAN TRAFFICKING and drug trade without trial, without evidence and without the possibility of a defense against a crime I obviously didn't commit.
With the Mexican Government against me a condom with my sperm and a forced or made up victim declaration. I could easily be looking at several extra years of pre trial detention. And what about my boyfriend his safety?
I didn't have a choice. I paid to get the condom and faked breaking up with my boyfriend, publicly accusing him of extortion to stop the actual extortion. Obviously I didn't formally accuse him of extortion and it's with his knowledge and consent. Secretly we're still seeing each other in other parts of the prison.
The prison and my embassy - his embassy sucks - are aware of the situation and have promised to take appropriate action. They haven't done anything at all. I communicate with them daily and they keep telling us ‘not to worry’.
We're in danger come on broke, underweight and starving. Nobody helps.
Nobody helps mainly because apparently two guys who love each other is something horrible. More horrible than the systematic torture that goes on in this prison, or the trafficking of transforming for sex.
Please somebody send help or at least some money so we can eat! Stop looking away.
Nelson Maatman
11th of October 2024
Reclusorio Varonil Preventivo Oriente
Ciudad de México, México
Do we really meant to do activism, or are we just talk?
What can I say. Have I screwed up a lot in the past? Yes. I obviously regret my behavior. (Or does that sound too cocky too?)
I get that some people see it as me having willfully driven off a cliff, but it's a result of my mental shortcomings and the environment I interacted with.
If y'all wanna give up on me, drop me like a stone, fine. But you can't do that AND take the moral high ground.
It's just so frustrating. Boyfriend is down in punishment, but only a week more. I don't want to talk or think about the case because it's completely pointless. I have a good lawyer (finally thanks to my pastor), I'm innocent of any wrongdoing and have all the evidence needed to prove it, but it is Mexico and it just doesn't matter. Yes, there is laws and everything, but the thing almost nobody seems to get is that it's MEXICO and it doesn't matter what the law says. I'm here only because somebody paid to put me here.
I can send whomever wants it the whole case file and you can study it all day all night like I did, but it's MEXICO it doesn't matter.
There's ways to get me money through MoneyGram, Western Union, bank transfers (to Mexico, or Netherlands) , cash deposits in Mexico, the OXXO app if you want. Just send me an email, I can't just drop mafia accounts online you know.
I don't think anybody owes me anything. I stupidly stood up for the MAP community thinking I had to to save my own skin. Just an obsessive thought that got printed in my head and controlled my life for a decade after a comment from a guy I was obsessed with. I'm not even a MAP. I'll gladly explain everything, but it's complex and I've been working on that memoir for more than two years now, I hope it's done in another year.
I'm underweight, have shit chance at a real trial... No, nobody owes me anything. They never did. Everybody can just lay back again and watch me burn. While burning I'll be watching you and wondering how you can. I sure can't lay back and watch others suffer. That's probably the main reason I keep falling into traps here. I can't watch people turning in to animals or pests.
Now you're mad that I'm judging you... well, haven't you been judging me for all this time? I'm only human and I tried. I fucked up. I get it. So now I'm human trash? For what I did? For what I do to survive? Shit man, I never committed a crime.
I didn't go here out of my own "free will". I panick, I fled. And got stuck waiting for a savior in a Mexican bathhouse. Then Ballard called offering a bag of money because he was such a supporter. I had been waiting for that supporter for a decade. And when it came it turned out to be a conspiracy.
This message is probably just my latest self-destructive effort, but who cares. It seems like my sheer existence is an attempt to self destruct. No matter what I do or don't it's always the wrong thing according to everybody. Well, fine, I'm a useless person that doesn't know how to safe himself. I admit that. I CAN'T safe myself. I'm just gasping through a straw for air waiting for help. You're judging what I am or ain't doing. But no matter what I myself do, I can't safe me.
The "Help Nelson Campaigns" are a fruitless endeavor anyway. No matter if I use money for food, medication, safety... It's always a waste, right?
Fuck, I need to stop writing... next week Sunday I'll see my boyfriend again. Everything will feel better.
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Official assistant of Nelson Maatman during his incarceration in Mexico.
Yesterday Nelson got jumped by two paid thugs. From what I now understand he received two heavy punches and was left bleeding severely from the face. He himself has said that the pain is manageable, but that he's psychologically suffering a lot and hasn't been able to sleep yet.
Yesterday his message was not to worry, but a message send from a third party from the same number (other inmate) let me know the situation was very bad and after Nelson opened up a little.
The thugs have been arrested, but with that the threat hasn't been resolved. He's still being followed and constantly has to watch his back.
He doesn't have access to medication for a lack of funds, he doesn't have enough for food and with this latest incident Nelson may be at risk to take a turn for the worse. He's getting more and more underweight and doesn't seem to be able to recover.
I wished thoughts and prayers helped, but he's in desperate need for some real help.
Dean
P.S. I just want to say that 'Anonymous Lover' is completely making up his 'facts' in this topic.
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Official assistant of Nelson Maatman during his incarceration in Mexico.
